Matthews Guilty Over Shannon Plot....

[M18CTID]

This case gives a lot of people carte blanche to be snobby, as can be seen on this thread.

It isn't about the fact that they are from the "underclass", it's about the fact that they behaved like sick bastards.

Spot on. There are plenty of scumbags who are from more affluent backgrounds.

 

[alib]

what amazes me about this whole case is that our wonderful police force didn't think to look in Donovan's flat - after all he was related to her and lived less than a mile away!!!!!

think of the millions wasted

Amazing really. Even the less clued-up amongst us could see that the whole thing looked at least a little suspect. You'd have thought the Old Bill would've eliminated all family members from their enquiries first.

Isn't Donovan actually related to Craig Meehan (Matthew's ex - the Rag twat who got done for having kiddie porn on his computer)? Or is he related to both of them? Wouldn't surprise me if he was the dirty inbred lol!

sorry I think you're right - Donovan was Meehan's Uncle

still you'd think the police would have the gumption to check out relatives first like you said

the phrase "couldn't detect shit if they were standing in it " springs to mind

 

[TheMightyQuinn]

What the fuck is the 'underclass'? Tabloid words seeping through to every day life. I've lived on council estates but never done anything like this.

Some people should be fucking ashamed of themselves on here.

 

[-dabz-]

What the fuck is the 'underclass'? Tabloid words seeping through to every day life. I've lived on council estates but never done anything like this.

Some people should be fucking ashamed of themselves on here.

Agreed.

 

[tommcfc]

these people are sicko's and should be locked away
it has nothing to do with "class"

 

[-dabz-]

these people are sicko's and should be locked away
it has nothing to do with "class"

Spot on...Although i would say more thicko than sicko.

 

[BingoBango]

What the fuck is the 'underclass'? Tabloid words seeping through to every day life. I've lived on council estates but never done anything like this.

Some people should be fucking ashamed of themselves on here.

Yes.

 

[TheMightyQuinn]

As far as I'm concerned saying somebody did something because 'they are from a council estate' is in the same league of stupidity and ignorance as saying someone did something 'cos they were black'.

I've yet to kill or pretend a kids gone missing, am I the exception to the rule?

 

[Newlunar]

What the fuck is the 'underclass'? Tabloid words seeping through to every day life. I've lived on council estates but never done anything like this.

Some people should be fucking ashamed of themselves on here.

Agreed.

If you mean me, why should I be ashamed? I am working class, as were my parents and my grandparents all who have worked all of their lives and claimed very little back from the state.

Go on.. try and deny that there aren't thousands, perhaps hundred's of thousands of people who have no intention of working for a living and supporting themselves. They detached themselves from the decent working class people about a generation ago. They don't support themselves so they can't be working class even though they could, they're certainly not better than working class so the name underclass is a fitting term regadless of it's origins.

Or you could bury your head up your arse and blame everything else.

 

[Anonymous]

What the fuck is the 'underclass'? Tabloid words seeping through to every day life. I've lived on council estates but never done anything like this.

Some people should be fucking ashamed of themselves on here.

But there is an underclass mate. There is a 'class' of people out there who believe that everything should be handed to them on a plate and that the world owes them something. It just so happens that many of them tend to live on council & housing association estates. The vast majority of people who live on these estates are decent people, but we must not bury our heads in the sand and say that these people don't exist.

I am talking from experience here as I lived on a housing association estate for 3 years with the girl who was to become my wife. In our road of 10 houses we were the only people who worked yet we were by far the worst off in that road. That cannot be right surely? The others in the road were your typical Jeremy Kyle participants... dealers, benefit fraudsters, professional single mothers, and I swear to you, I am not making this up.

It was a real eye opener to me as I'd never seen this sort of thing before. It gives me no pleasure to say these things, but unless we face up to the fact that these type of people do exist, then nothing will ever get done about it.

 

[-dabz-]

As far as I'm concerned saying somebody did something because 'they are from a council estate' is in the same league of stupidity and ignorance as saying someone did something 'cos they were black'.

I've yet to kill or pretend a kids gone missing, am I the exception to the rule?

I've noticed that this has been implied on a few threads during my short time on here. It seems to me that some people think that having a mortgage and a reasonably priced car= sainthood.

 

[TheMightyQuinn]

Yes but to blame the 'underclass' cos one or two of them are scum is like me saying all black men are murderers just because a few of them are!

I come from a pretty poor background myself and I resent being labelled or grouped with people who have done stuff like this.

Is Ricky Hatton a child murderer cos he's from the same place as Myra Hindley?

 

[TheMightyQuinn]

As far as I'm concerned saying somebody did something because 'they are from a council estate' is in the same league of stupidity and ignorance as saying someone did something 'cos they were black'.

I've yet to kill or pretend a kids gone missing, am I the exception to the rule?

I've noticed that this has been implied on a few threads during my short time on here. It seems to me that some people think that having a mortgage and a reasonably priced car= sainthood.

Exactly. If these people ever lose their jobs they'll be in for a surprise when they realise the government doesnt literally hand out money to people and it's all a daily mail fantasy. Trust me, i've been there and it isnt easy.

 

[-dabz-]

What the fuck is the 'underclass'? Tabloid words seeping through to every day life. I've lived on council estates but never done anything like this.

Some people should be fucking ashamed of themselves on here.

Agreed.

If you mean me, why should I be ashamed? I am working class, as were my parents and my grandparents all who have worked all of their lives and claimed very little back from the state.

Go on.. try and deny that there aren't thousands, perhaps hundred's of thousands of people who have no intention of working for a living and supporting themselves. They detached themselves from the decent working class people about a generation ago. They don't support themselves so they can't be working class even though they could, they're certainly not better than working class so the name underclass is a fitting term regadless of it's origins.

Or you could bury your head up your arse and blame everything else.

You are totally right in saying this, but it has nothing to do with what Matthews did. Where they lived is just incidental. What about canoe man? Didn't he do what he did for money?

 

[TheMightyQuinn]

What the fuck is the 'underclass'? Tabloid words seeping through to every day life. I've lived on council estates but never done anything like this.

Some people should be fucking ashamed of themselves on here.

Agreed.

If you mean me, why should I be ashamed? I am working class, as were my parents and my grandparents all who have worked all of their lives and claimed very little back from the state.

Go on.. try and deny that there aren't thousands, perhaps hundred's of thousands of people who have no intention of working for a living and supporting themselves. They detached themselves from the decent working class people about a generation ago. They don't support themselves so they can't be working class even though they could, they're certainly not better than working class so the name underclass is a fitting term regadless of it's origins.

Or you could bury your head up your arse and blame everything else.

You are totally right in saying this, but it has nothing to do with what Matthews did. Where they lived is just incidental. What about canoe man? Didn't he do what he did for money?

He did it cos he's white and all whites, by this logic, are scum.

 

[Newlunar]

Not strictly true I'm afraid. When I was between jobs, (and before anyone jumps on that, I had to leave one job before I had been confirmed in the other) I had 12 weeks on the dole. All life's necessities were taken care of. My problems started when I resumed work. It took me 2/3 years before I got on my feet again.

I'm not attacking the working class and I've hijacked the thread a bit I admit. Even the majority of the 'underclass' wouldn't pull a stunt like these two characters have.

 

[tueartsboots]

I lived in Stranraer for several years and lived in "Social housing" on a road called John Simpson Drive. The very mention of that road sent people into a panic-we were all druggies, dolies and even murderers. As far as getting a job was concerned with my address-Forget it. And this happens throughout the country, people are NOT always taken on merit, sometimes a simple postcode can screw things up. I was unemployed for over four years and was only interviewed by companies with no knowledge of the area. Many people are written off at BIRTH because of where they live.
Before anyone asks, I am well educated, originally from Wythenshawe and have many years experience in retail management and business administration. My last position was working for New Deal- the government program to help the long term unemployed back into work. I speak from experience not hysteria or generalisation.

 

[Newlunar]

what amazes me about this whole case is that our wonderful police force didn't think to look in Donovan's flat - after all he was related to her and lived less than a mile away!!!!!

think of the millions wasted

Amazing really. Even the less clued-up amongst us could see that the whole thing looked at least a little suspect. You'd have thought the Old Bill would've eliminated all family members from their enquiries first.

Isn't Donovan actually related to Craig Meehan (Matthew's ex - the Rag twat who got done for having kiddie porn on his computer)? Or is he related to both of them? Wouldn't surprise me if he was the dirty inbred lol!

sorry I think you're right - Donovan was Meehan's Uncle

still you'd think the police would have the gumption to check out relatives first like you said

the phrase "couldn't detect shit if they were standing in it " springs to mind

Perhaps, the small matter of evidence was a prerequisite of searching all the relatives flats. Otherwise you know how it is, some slimey legal aid grabbing parasitic scumbag lawyer would have been all over it with his favourite trumpcard - hindsight.

 

[-dabz-]

I lived in Stranraer for several years and lived in "Social housing" on a road called John Simpson Drive. The very mention of that road sent people into a panic-we were all druggies, dolies and even murderers. As far as getting a job was concerned with my address-Forget it. And this happens throughout the country, people are NOT always taken on merit, sometimes a simple postcode can screw things up. I was unemployed for over four years and was only interviewed by companies with no knowledge of the area. Many people are written off at BIRTH because of where they live.
Before anyone asks, I am well educated, originally from Wythenshawe and have many years experience in retail management and business administration. My last position was working for New Deal- the government program to help the long term unemployed back into work. I speak from experience not hysteria or generalisation.

Thank you. I agree entirely from my own experience. Incidently, whereabouts in wythy are you from?

 

[tueartsboots]

I lived in Stranraer for several years and lived in "Social housing" on a road called John Simpson Drive. The very mention of that road sent people into a panic-we were all druggies, dolies and even murderers. As far as getting a job was concerned with my address-Forget it. And this happens throughout the country, people are NOT always taken on merit, sometimes a simple postcode can screw things up. I was unemployed for over four years and was only interviewed by companies with no knowledge of the area. Many people are written off at BIRTH because of where they live.
Before anyone asks, I am well educated, originally from Wythenshawe and have many years experience in retail management and business administration. My last position was working for New Deal- the government program to help the long term unemployed back into work. I speak from experience not hysteria or generalisation.

Thank you. I agree entirely from my own experience. Incidently, whereabouts in wythy are you from?

Ready for this ?
Grandparents lived on Greenwood Road, some family on Foxlair Rd and up near Silver birch. I have lived Greenbrow Rd, opposite Red Rose and next to the Eagle and before moving to Stranraer, lived on Petersfield Drive, Baguley near Butcher. Have lived in Cheetham Hill, Sale and Timperley as well !! (CH and Sale was in the late 60's/70's) and plenty of other parts of uk !