Media Discussion - 2023/24

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The_Maverick said:
The point I was trying to and clearly didn’t make is the love in for Klopp and Liverpool and the way it is reported. It’s very different to the way Pep or any team members face questions in the pressers.

Watched about 5 mins of the Q&A’s after today and with the dippers it was about how good was their defence, what a future talent they have, what a loss Klopp will be.

Move on to JS interview and they were asking about how big was Ake’s mistake for the back pass?

Same match, same teams why thr difference?
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You answered it yourself!

Klopp is a media darling after announcing he’s leaving and the narrative is “Who is going to knock City & Pep off their perch?” (a la Ratcliffe’s comments!)

I know it hurts to have dominated the English, and now European and International silverware, for years, but that sets you up…especially when the media narrative is already full of “cheat” innuendo (and worse!) and the fact that City are, to many of these young journos, a “Johnny Come Lately” gatecrasher to the red parade at the top.

Heavy is the head that wears the crown, especially when the owners of the ink believe not only that you shouldn’t be, but also their choice isn’t and hasn’t for quite a while!

I thought we all already knew that City, Pep and especially Sheikh Mansour have not been flavor of the day, month or year for quite some time now. Why would anyone expect that narrative to change on the day of the biggest game of the season so far against the current media darling?

If it means beating them to any and all silverware this season, they can “hurt me some more,” because everyone who knows anything or cares about City already knows we don’t get a fair shake from the owned and pocketed media.

The day I start caring more about what the media says and less about what I see with my own eyes and hear with my own ears, is the day I hang up my hat.

Media narratives have always been, by their very nature, lazy and reductive. Throw in the litany of social media commentators and pundits we have to suffer today, most of whom are thinly disguised ambassadors for the red tops, and one should expect the spite, jealousy and negative spin we receive. Throw in the red top infested FA/PL charges and the stories write themselves.

If you’re waiting for City to get a fair shake, then take a seat and I’d choose the most comfortable one you can find, because it’s going to be an eternity. However, if you watch and read the stuff with the knowledge and expectation that City will never get a fair shake, even if they’re 90-100% exonerated in the courts, which is another expectation, then you can more easily enjoy watching the boiling piss and laugh at the agendas of people who couldn’t be objective if their lives and livelihoods depended on it.

Like many, I already know to whom I really care to listen or read their insights, and who can be easily dismissed as hyper partisan. Occasionally, one might be surprised by the take of a partisan, but they never lose their affinity for their paymasters. To them, access and adoration still matters, which makes them easily dismissible.

So, unlike so many, I feel capable of sorting reporting and feedback into their respective pigeon holes and am rarely surprised by the commentary, which means expectations are low and rarely challenged.

Maybe it’s a coping mechanism to enable me to still be able to consume such media, but regardless of what it is, it has helped me ignore most of the negativity and realize success in England is only accepted if the current winds are at your back. The minute the sentiment turns, whether naturally or manufactured, you become a target of the haters. It’s the British disease and indicative of the story I’ve told many times about the nice house at the top of the hill…in Britain, people walk by and say “That fucker!” while in America people walk by and say “One day, that’ll be me!”

WE live in that nice house and the silverware displayed outside isn’t positively changing anyone in Britain’s attitude about us any time soon.

Personally, I like the view from up here, don’t you?
 
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shemnel said:
In my eyes, both players did very well in that situation, it was a case of 'great football all round', hoping not too sound too cheesy. Van Dijk showed great composure and Haaland fashioned good space against an experienced centre half.

Haaland starts 10 yards away from Van Dijk and you can see the centre half isn't too sure what to do but is erring on trying to steer him wide. Suddenly Haaland prods it slightly right and Van Dijk starts sprinting, and has a tiny (it's tiny) nibble at the ball and Haaland's feet as he jinks back left.

If Van Dijk had made any more movement toward Haaland at all, he would have either been completely beaten, leaving a one on one, or taken out the man, resulting in red (presumably). The other outcome is that he would have actually won the ball cleanly, but that was less likely b'cos he was trying to pick up pace and, i assume, he (van dijk) made the decision winning the ball cleanly was too unlikely.

So now we're ~25 yds out and they're getting side by side, a full on tackle is completely out of the window now, Haaland's done well to here. Van Dijk decides to go directly onto the body now, which is sensible defending, it's now or never to unsettle the shot, which is becoming inevitable.

it's debatable whether Haaland should have taken a final touch or gone a tad earlier and aimed for a low corner, but i thought it was excellent play from both players. I watched the game with 2 ex semi pros and they were both absolutely loving that tussle.
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Spot on. It was very clever defending from VD. A good teaching moment for defenders. He was unfazed. Good play by Erling and a real battle but last years Haaland would've buried that.
 
Greenandblue said:
The Anfield myth is getting extra legs today, it's a fortress, we always shit oursleves there. I hear there's nowhere like Anfield, the athmosphere destroys teams. The Ethiad is simply no comparison. Strange fact is that Liverpool have only won a single premier league game at our place in 16 years, being the Mangala inspired 4-1drubbing in Flopp's first visit. So that's just 1 Premier League victory for them at our home in 16 years! It's worth reminding a few of them of that fact...
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I posted this yesterday, but Liverpool have failed to win 68 games at Anfield since Klopp arrived (20 losses, 48 draws), whereas the Etihad has only seen 48 games we haven't won (27 draws, 21 losses).

Our recent record against Liverpool is better at the Etihad, than theirs is at Anfield.

Don't see the same fortress Etihad idiocy when they come to town.
 
deano ou812 said:
As sure as night follows day the media have blanket coverage of the doku challenge and calling that it should have been a pen,strange I didn’t see or hear any coverage when Dias had his goal chalked off for Akanji brushing against Allison at the Etihad..
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Guess it didnt show the constant diving by Salah and Mac Allister, both of which should have been cards for simulation earlier in the game
 
johnevans said:
Perhaps it's me being thick but I'm still processing the MOTD analysis of Van Dijk's 'world class' defending of a situation involving him dealing with Haaland's run and shot in the first half..

Perhaps other Blues might be able to help me understand why it was deserving of such praise?

Haaland picked up the ball and turned on the half-way line to run at goal. Van Dijk backpedalled all the way into his own penalty area, clearly keeping an eye on Haaland but not closing him down. Haaland then gets to the box and takes the shot open to him with his favoured left foot but aims it straight at Kelleher in goal, snatching the strike rather than getting away what you young Blues would call a 'thunderb*st*rd'.

Now, at what point was 'The World's Greatest Defender - Ever' in control of that situation? Or have I missed a masterclass of imperiousness, as outlined by the MOTD pundits?

Pundits.. One of the wooden planks stored in the eaves of my garage could do a more insightful job than the majority of them.

Any thoughts/help would be most appreciated..!
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Van dijk also pushed Haaland over as he was taking his shot. A little later Erling took the ball off the dithering defender in the edge of the Liverpool area and City really should have taken better advantage than they did.
Thick muppet Carragher claimed Van dijk was a better defender than Haaland was a striker, yesterday showed his claim was moronic, even if Erling may not have been at his best.
 
Rochdale Blue said:
Van dijk also pushed Haaland over as he was taking his shot. A little later Erling took the ball off the dithering defender in the edge of the Liverpool area and City really should have taken better advantage than they did.
Thick muppet Carragher claimed Van dijk was a better defender than Haaland was a striker, yesterday showed his claim was moronic, even if Erling may not have been at his best.
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Agree about the media infatuation with "Virgil" - he wasn't even the best Thunderbird !
But, VVD is their captain and they would be fecked without him.
I don't think Erling has hit his best form this season (understandable with his injury) - yet.
However, both LFC and MUFC have always had to have the best player in the world, in every position.
Having the Speke Spittoon eulogise about a LFC player is a Sky staple, as will Ratboy ejaculate about Garnacho the Broughton Wonderkid...
 
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