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Pablo ZZZ Peroni said:
It was England Cricket Team in 2019
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Indeed it was.. I'm probably going to go off on a rant now, against the best advice of my medics, so pardon me if I ramble on.. I think anyone who has a go at reading this will get my drift pretty quickly..

Watching some of that show last night, I remembered a conversation I had almost 40 years ago with an Aston Villa supporting colleague of mine. His team had just won the European Cup a week or so before and beaming with pride he conjectured that Villa would be favourites to win the SPOTY Team Award for 1982. I smiled and suggested he think again, telling him 'You're not one of the favoured clubs.. no chance!', pointing out how Nottingham Forest had been treated recently despite winning and retaining the European Cup and also how City had been in the past too, in 1970. We had a friendly bet of 10p on it.. and yes, the prize was mine later that year..

The times since the inauguration in 1960 of the SPOTY Team Award that football has won the accolade have been regular but not often, with 12 of the 60 awards going to a few clubs approximately once every four years. Sad git that I am I just checked out that roll of honour against my own recollections over the 60 years or more I've seen SPOTY:

1961 Tottenham - first team to do the League and Cup double in 20th century
1965 West Ham - winners European Cup Winners' Cup
1967 Celtic - first British team to win the European Cup
1968 Manchester United - first English team to win the European Cup
1973 Sunderland - 2nd Division side which created shock of the century beating Leeds to the FA Cup
1977 Liverpool - winning the European Cup for the first time
1986 Liverpool - winning the League and Cup double
1998 Arsenal - winning Premier League
1999 Manchester United - winning treble of PL, FA Cup and Champions League
2001 Liverpool - winning treble of FA Cup, League Cup and UEFA Cup
2016 Leicester City - winning Premier League starting at 5000-1 odds
2020 Liverpool - first Premier League in 30 years

Now, all of the above are worthy awards given the situations each team faced. I absolutely do not have any criticism of the SPOTY Team Award going to them.

What puzzles me, going back to my conversation regarding Aston Villa with my erstwhile colleague, is how some football teams have been treated over the years, most particularly City.

Tottenham (Cup Winners Cup 1963, first ever British European cup success) lost out to the all-conquering West Indies cricket side in 1963. Arsenal's double winning team of 1971 similarly to the great British Lions side of that year. I can see the logic for why these two teams lost out in those particular years. And again, a similar logic applied in 1982, when Villa lost out to ice dancers Torvill & Dean

However, Nottingham Forest's treatment in 1979 and 1980 after winning and retaining the European Cup (and playing some sublime football along the way) was bizarre at the time, losing out first to the UK Show Jumping squad, then to the England rugby union squad. I've often wondered if Brian Clough's unpopularity among the FA's panjandrums was the reason for this snub..

Then, of course, there's City. Lickle old City.

In 1970, the FIRST English football team to win a European and a domestic honour in the same season (Cup Winners' Cup and League Cup) was overlooked in favour of the Nijinsky horse racing team.

In 2012, Roberto Mancini and the Premier League champions ended a 44 year wait for the title but, understandably had significant competition from the Olympic and para-Olympic teams that year.

However, in 2014 Manuel Pellegrini's record breaking team won the Premier League and League Cup in his FIRST ever season in England. No sniff of an award, with it going to the England Women's Rugby squad.

In 2018, Pep Guardiola took the League Cup and the Premier League, the latter with 100 points for the FIRST time ever but still no recognition, with the award going to the England Women's Netball squad (which, it must be said, rather fluked a gold medal at the Commonwealth Games that year..) And then the following year, Guardiola's team completed the FIRST ever domestic treble in English football but the England cricket team took the award after another fortuitous run of events in cup competition.

That's at least five occasions that City has been snubbed.. all the while that we've had to put up with UEFA and Premier League rivals attempting to undermine us with FFP charges and the like. Add to this the fact that various football coaches since Alex Ferguson won the inaugural SPOTY Coach of the Year Award in 1999 have been given this prize for no more (and often much less) than Mancini, Pellegrini and (certainly) Guardiola have achieved, yet none of them won the SPOTY Coach Award. City supporters get hacked off with it all for good reason, year on year on year..

Fair play to all of the teams whose success on the footy field has been recognised by SPOTY over the years. But really, the treatment doled out to City (and not just the SPOTY set-up) in not acknowledging ground-breaking achievements and the most glorious club football ever seen in this country is frankly appalling.

But that's what we've come to expect from our partial, often venal sports media which champions its particular favourites in these days of social media and click-bait..

Rant over, hopefully Matron will be round with the medication trolley soon..
 
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johnevans said:
Indeed it was.. I'm probably going to go off on a rant now, against the best advice of my medics, so pardon me if I ramble on.. I think anyone who has a go at reading this will get my drift pretty quickly..

Watching that show last night, I remembered a conversation I had almost 40 years ago with an Aston Villa supporting colleague of mine. His team had just won the European Cup a week or so before and beaming with pride he conjectured that Villa would be favourites to win the SPOTY Team Award for 1982. I smiled and suggested he think again, telling him 'You're not one of the favoured clubs . no chance!', pointing out how Nottingham Forest had been treated recently despite winning and retaining the European Cup and also how City had been in the past too, in 1970. We had a friendly bet of 10p on it.. and yes, the prize was mine later that year..

The times since the inauguration in 1960 of the SPOTY Team Award that football has won the accolade have been regular but not often, with 14 of the 60 awards going to a few clubs approximately once every four years. Sad git that I am I just checked out that roll of honour against my own recollections over the 60 years or more I've seen SPOTY:

1961 Tottenham - first team to do the League and Cup double in 20th century
1965 West Ham - winners European Cup Winners' Cup
1967 Celtic - first British team to win the European Cup
1968 Manchester United - first English team to win the European Cup
1973 Sunderland - 2nd Division side which created shock of the century beating Leeds to the FA Cup
1977 Liverpool - winning the European Cup for the first time
1986 Liverpool - winning the League and Cup double
1998 Arsenal - winning Premier League
1999 Manchester United - winning treble of PL, FA Cup and Champions League
2001 Liverpool - winning treble of FA Cup, League Cup and UEFA Cup
2016 Leicester City - winning Premier League starting at 5000-1 odds
2020 Liverpool - first Premier League in 30 years

Now, all of the above are worthy awards given the situations each team faced. I absolutely do not have any criticism of the SPOTY Team Award going to them.

What puzzles me, going back to my conversation regarding Aston Villa with my erstwhile colleague, is how some football teams have been treated over the years, most particularly City.

Tottenham (Cup Winners Cup 1963, first ever British European cup success) lost out to the all-conquering West Indies cricket side in 1963. Arsenal's double winning team of 1971 similarly to the great British Lions side of that year. I can see the logic for why these two teams lost out in those particular years. And again, a similar logic applied in 1982, when Villa lost out to ice dancers Torvill & Dean

However, Nottingham Forest's treatment in 1979 and 1980 after winning and retaining the European Cup (and playing some sublime football along the way) was bizarre at the time, losing out first to the UK Show Jumping squad, then to the England rugby union squad. I've often wondered if Brian Clough's unpopularity among the FA's panjandrums was the reason for this snub..

Then, of course, there's City. Lickle old City.

In 1970, the FIRST English football team to win a European and a domestic honour in the same season (Cup Winners' Cup and League Cup) was overlooked in favour of the Nijinsky horse racing team.

In 2012, Roberto Mancini and the Premier League champions ended a 44 year wait for the title but, understandably had significant competition from the Olympic and para-Olympic teams that year.

However, in 2014 Manuel Pellegrini's record breaking team won the Premier League and League Cup in his FIRST ever season in England. No sniff of an award, with it going to the England Women's Rugby squad.

In 2018, Pep Guardiola took the League Cup and the Premier League, the latter with 100 points for the FIRST time ever but still no recognition, with the award going to the England Women's Netball squad (which, it must be said, rather fluked a gold medal at the Commonwealth Games that year..) And then the following year, Guardiola's team completed the FIRST ever domestic treble in English football but the England cricket team took the award after another fortuitous run of events in cup competition.

That's at least five occasions that City has been snubbed.. all the while that we've had to put up with UEFA and Premier League rivals attempting to undermine us with FFP charges and the like. Add to this the fact that various football coaches since Alex Ferguson won the inaugural SPOTY Coach of the Year Award in 1999 have been given this prize for no more (and often much less) than Mancini, Pellegrini and (certainly) Guardiola have achieved, yet none of them won the SPOTY Coach Award. City supporters get hacked off with it all for good reason, year on year on year..

Fair play to all of the teams whose success on the footy field has been recognised by SPOTY over the years. But really, the treatment doled out to City (and not just the SPOTY set-up) in not acknowledging ground-breaking achievements and the most glorious club football ever seen in this country is frankly appalling.

But that's what we've come to expect from our partial, often venal sports media which champions its particular favourites in these days of social media and click-bait..

Rant over, hopefully Matron will be round with the medication trolley soon..
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2019 was the year we absolutely should have won it. As a team effort, it knocks all the others into a cocked-hat.
 
johnevans said:
Indeed it was.. I'm probably going to go off on a rant now, against the best advice of my medics, so pardon me if I ramble on.. I think anyone who has a go at reading this will get my drift pretty quickly..

Watching some of that show last night, I remembered a conversation I had almost 40 years ago with an Aston Villa supporting colleague of mine. His team had just won the European Cup a week or so before and beaming with pride he conjectured that Villa would be favourites to win the SPOTY Team Award for 1982. I smiled and suggested he think again, telling him 'You're not one of the favoured clubs.. no chance!', pointing out how Nottingham Forest had been treated recently despite winning and retaining the European Cup and also how City had been in the past too, in 1970. We had a friendly bet of 10p on it.. and yes, the prize was mine later that year..

The times since the inauguration in 1960 of the SPOTY Team Award that football has won the accolade have been regular but not often, with 14 of the 60 awards going to a few clubs approximately once every four years. Sad git that I am I just checked out that roll of honour against my own recollections over the 60 years or more I've seen SPOTY:

1961 Tottenham - first team to do the League and Cup double in 20th century
1965 West Ham - winners European Cup Winners' Cup
1967 Celtic - first British team to win the European Cup
1968 Manchester United - first English team to win the European Cup
1973 Sunderland - 2nd Division side which created shock of the century beating Leeds to the FA Cup
1977 Liverpool - winning the European Cup for the first time
1986 Liverpool - winning the League and Cup double
1998 Arsenal - winning Premier League
1999 Manchester United - winning treble of PL, FA Cup and Champions League
2001 Liverpool - winning treble of FA Cup, League Cup and UEFA Cup
2016 Leicester City - winning Premier League starting at 5000-1 odds
2020 Liverpool - first Premier League in 30 years

Now, all of the above are worthy awards given the situations each team faced. I absolutely do not have any criticism of the SPOTY Team Award going to them.

What puzzles me, going back to my conversation regarding Aston Villa with my erstwhile colleague, is how some football teams have been treated over the years, most particularly City.

Tottenham (Cup Winners Cup 1963, first ever British European cup success) lost out to the all-conquering West Indies cricket side in 1963. Arsenal's double winning team of 1971 similarly to the great British Lions side of that year. I can see the logic for why these two teams lost out in those particular years. And again, a similar logic applied in 1982, when Villa lost out to ice dancers Torvill & Dean

However, Nottingham Forest's treatment in 1979 and 1980 after winning and retaining the European Cup (and playing some sublime football along the way) was bizarre at the time, losing out first to the UK Show Jumping squad, then to the England rugby union squad. I've often wondered if Brian Clough's unpopularity among the FA's panjandrums was the reason for this snub..

Then, of course, there's City. Lickle old City.

In 1970, the FIRST English football team to win a European and a domestic honour in the same season (Cup Winners' Cup and League Cup) was overlooked in favour of the Nijinsky horse racing team.

In 2012, Roberto Mancini and the Premier League champions ended a 44 year wait for the title but, understandably had significant competition from the Olympic and para-Olympic teams that year.

However, in 2014 Manuel Pellegrini's record breaking team won the Premier League and League Cup in his FIRST ever season in England. No sniff of an award, with it going to the England Women's Rugby squad.

In 2018, Pep Guardiola took the League Cup and the Premier League, the latter with 100 points for the FIRST time ever but still no recognition, with the award going to the England Women's Netball squad (which, it must be said, rather fluked a gold medal at the Commonwealth Games that year..) And then the following year, Guardiola's team completed the FIRST ever domestic treble in English football but the England cricket team took the award after another fortuitous run of events in cup competition.

That's at least five occasions that City has been snubbed.. all the while that we've had to put up with UEFA and Premier League rivals attempting to undermine us with FFP charges and the like. Add to this the fact that various football coaches since Alex Ferguson won the inaugural SPOTY Coach of the Year Award in 1999 have been given this prize for no more (and often much less) than Mancini, Pellegrini and (certainly) Guardiola have achieved, yet none of them won the SPOTY Coach Award. City supporters get hacked off with it all for good reason, year on year on year..

Fair play to all of the teams whose success on the footy field has been recognised by SPOTY over the years. But really, the treatment doled out to City (and not just the SPOTY set-up) in not acknowledging ground-breaking achievements and the most glorious club football ever seen in this country is frankly appalling.

But that's what we've come to expect from our partial, often venal sports media which champions its particular favourites in these days of social media and click-bait..

Rant over, hopefully Matron will be round with the medication trolley soon..
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That's a great post. Forest were treated with contempt at the time because they knocked Liverpool off their perch for a couple of years. In fact they only started getting proper respect from the media for their amazing achievements after Clough's death. To be fair Villa were also not given due credit for their success. The football media is often behind the curve.
The worst decision was 2017/18 when City won two trophies and scored the highest ever goals tally in English football (second highest in European club football history) and the highest ever points tally. To give that award to the Commonwealth Games netball winners was taking the piss.
 
Spurs quarter 69 said:
After last night's dipper wankathon does anyone remember if Pep got coach award or we got team award on 2018 or 2019 SPOTY
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Some sort of God awful womens teams either hockey or netball(!) were deemed better. Do remember the Monday after the FA Cup final when BBC Breakfast collectively had faces like slapped arses and could only latch on to the ongoing CAS case. Impartial and unbiased, some hope!
 
bobbyowenquiff said:
That's a great post. Forest were treated with contempt at the time because they knocked Liverpool off their perch for a couple of years. In fact they only started getting proper respect from the media for their amazing achievements after Clough's death. To be fair Villa were also not given due credit for their success. The football media is often behind the curve.
The worst decision was 2017/18 when City won two trophies and scored the highest ever goals tally in English football (second highest in European club football history) and the highest ever points tally. To give that award to the Commonwealth Games netball winners was taking the piss.
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would that have been when Tracy Neville was manager?
 
I have't watched the programme for a few years now, although the reasoning to taking it round the country was to involve the 'audience', I've found the 'Britain's Got Talent' ethos offputting.

If I understand correctly the sentiment behind comments I've seen expressed about it from last night, it seems Klopp was a little graceless with some of his comments.
 
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