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I did not know we played Villa at Villa Park last week and that Rodri did a trick which the rule makers are now going to outlaw.......I thought Rodri just chased down the ball to the keeper, nothing tricky about that you Rag twat!!!

Premier League refs change offside rule after controversial Silva goal (msn.com)

Guidance has been added around the offside rule – which would have rendered Manchester City's controversial goal against Aston Villa offside in a move which has been described as a 'face-saving exercise'.

Urgent talks were held after outrage followed Bernardo Silva's opener at Villa Park, which saw City midfielder Rodri come from an offside position to steal the ball from Tyrone Mings and set up the Portugal man to break the deadlock in an eventual 2-0 win for the home side.

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In plain terms, that means that from now on, players repeating Rodri's trick would be penalised. However, goals such as that scored by Villa's Ollie Watkins, in which he came from an offside position to seize on an attempted clearance by Newcastle's Fabian Schar earlier this month, would stand as he did 'not impact Schar's ability to play the ball'.
 
Guidance has been added to Law 11 (offside) which states: 'Where a player in an offside position immediately impacts on an opponent who has deliberately played the ball, the match officials should prioritise challenging an opponent for the ball, and thus the offside offence of "interfering with an opponent by impacting on the opponent's ability to play the ball" should be penalised.

In plain terms, that means that from now on, players repeating Rodri's trick would be penalised.
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That's still bollocks though, Rodri did not impact Mings' ability to chest that ball because he wasn't challenging him for that. That's not how the law should have been changed. That just opens it up for them to be selective on how they interpret whether someone was interfering with play or not(another way to favour their darling teams). This is another example of why broadcasters need reigning in, their influence has become too great and it runs the risk of ruining the game.

I've had a debate with a dummy spitting Villa fan on Sky's youtube video with Walton trying to save face on it(after he had to admit he was wrong), who made the claim: "Rodi was pressing Mings, so he caused his mistake". How can you be pressing someone without blocking their path or blocking off any of their viable passing routes? Pressing is what Rodri was doing seconds before it while closing down Martinez(GK) before he cleared it. If he did feel like he was being pressed/rushed, then he shouldn't have been trying to chest the ball down at all. A cushioned header to the player to his left or the player directly infront of him and there is no loose ball for Rodri to challenge for. Rather than "pressing Mings", Rodri was getting himself back into an onside position as he should and then saw an opportunity with the loose ball. He was behind and to the right of Mings before that and Mings knew this. That didn't change at any point before Mings played the ball because Rodri moved in fairly straight line, which is consistent with him not actively pressing anyone. The space was always to Mings' left if he wanted to bring that ball down, he got this completely wrong of his own doing, while Rori was still yards away.

If they are trying to say chesting the ball down to his right was his only option then the above proves otherwise, if they're saying he had some divine right to that particular option then that's incorrect too. Can you imagine this argument, Mings: "Sure there were several safer options but I really wanted to chest it down to my right and he got in my way, that's just not fair". This was one of the only options that gave Rodri a chance of gaining possession, either he simply mis-controlled the ball or he went with arguably the worst option deliberately, how is any of that on anyone but Mings?

If they wanted to change the laws not to allow this goal in future, change the law on what constitutes a turnover of possession. Mings messed up(nothing to do with Rodri) his first touch and therefore never really had control of that ball, thus you could say Villa never really gained possession. That seems far less open to interpretation while being fair at the same time.
 
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Metalartin said:
That's still bollocks though, Rodri did not impact Mings' ability to chest that ball because he wasn't challenging him for that. That's not how the law should have been changed. That just opens it up for them to be selective on how they interpret whether someone was interfering with play or not(another way to favour their darling teams). This is another example of why broadcasters need reigning in, their influence has become too great and it runs the risk of ruining the game.

I've had a debate with a dummy spitting Villa fan on Sky's youtube video with Walton trying to save face on it(after he had to admit he was wrong), who made the claim: "Rodi was pressing Mings, so he caused his mistake". How can you be pressing someone without blocking their path or blocking off any of their viable passing routes? Pressing is what Rodri was doing seconds before it while closing down Martinez(GK) before he cleared it. If he did feel like he was being pressed/rushed, then he shouldn't have been trying to chest the ball down at all. A cushioned header to the player to his left or the player directly infront of him and there is no loose ball for Rodri to challenge for. Rather than "pressing Mings", Rodri was getting himself back into an onside position as he should and then saw an opportunity with the loose ball. He was behind and to the right of Mings before that and Mings knew this. That didn't change at any point before Mings played the ball because Rodri moved in fairly straight line, which is consistent with him not actively pressing anyone. The space was always to Mings' left if he wanted to bring that ball down, he got this completely wrong of his own doing, while Rori was still yards away.

If they are trying to say chesting the ball down to his right was his only option then the above proves otherwise, if they're saying he had some divine right to that particular option then that's incorrect too. Can you imagine this argument, Mings: "Sure there were several safer options but I really wanted to chest it down to my right and he got in my way, that's just not fair". This was one of the only options that gave Rodri a chance of gaining possession, either he simply mis-controlled the ball or he went with arguably the worst option deliberately, how is any of that on anyone but Mings?

If they wanted to change the laws not to allow this goal in future, change the law on what constitutes a turnover of possession. Mings messed up(nothing to do with Rodri) his first touch and therefore never really had control of that ball, thus you could say Villa never really gained possession. That seems far less open to interpretation while being fair at the same time.
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Mings also had time to knock it to the defender to his right or left. But shit control caused him to get the ball stuck under his feet. Is that OUR fault. No it isn't and that ruling is allowing defenders to fuck up and get away with it.
 
prestonibbo_mcfc said:
Mings also had time to knock it to the defender to his right or left. But shit control caused him to get the ball stuck under his feet. Is that OUR fault. No it isn't and that ruling is allowing defenders to fuck up and get away with it.
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It's worse than that though, the change has left it open to interpretation. That means they can pick and choose whether someone was interfering with "a player's ability to play the ball" depending on what shirt they are wearing. Here they have said Rodri challenged for a ball that he did not and the replays show this clearly. Either that or they are saying Rodri simply closing the distance(in the opposite direction to where he was facing and where the ball was) by getting back onside, is enough to put Mings off and cause his mistake. You can bet they would never say the same for a City defender.
 
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