Media Thread - 2021/22

[jjctid]

Not been on the MEN for a while, I was pretty shocked at the amount of pop-ups, worse than some porn sites, shame the way it’s gone.

What are these "porn sites" thingies? Just asking for a friend and research purposes!

 

[jitsubluedan]

I've been doing a lot of thinking over the last few weeks since the Russian invasion of Ukraine regarding football ownership in this country, a lot of it heavy on the head, & to get it out of my system I'm going to stick it here, so apologies in advance for the long post about to follow:

The lens of the media, specifically our mainstream media, has firmly jolted in the direction of football club ownership after Putin's awful actions in Ukraine. How could a firm Putin ally end up owning one of the country’s biggest football clubs they ask? We've seen the sanctions which have removed his ownership seemingly overnight. This has clearly served to embolden our detractors. After all, according to them we are supposedly owned by a despotic regime with an awful human rights record. If Abramovich can be removed, why not 'state ownership' at Manchester City & Newcastle United?

The fact Manchester City are legally majority owned by Sheikh Mansour in a private capacity, with CMC & Silverlake minority owners, has done nothing to stop the 'state' owned jibes. In fact, it has never been stronger & is set in stone as a stick to beat City with by our detractors. Whether it be football journalists used as proxies by our American owned rivals, fuelled by football tribalism, using very serious issues to hide their true intent, or indeed Gary Neville on Sky, they have successfully used their platform to peddle their Sportswashing ‘state-owned’ narrative. Whoever let facts get in the way of a good story?

The irony of what is lost on these lot, is that the reason the game has developed to whereby clubs can only seek to consistently compete with the 'elite' is by being taken over by a Sheikh Mansour, Roman Abramovich or even Jack Walker, is down to their own doing and greed. These backstabbing clubs chose to close the door once they got into a position of power from the 1980's onwards & to cement themselves at the top, with long term & sustained competition cut. Whether it be through the monopolization of gate-receipts, the creation of the Premier League & Champions League, the ‘G14’, Bayern's dominance of Germany etc, I could go on as the list is endless. They wanted a closed shop where they could split their winnings & bollocks to the rest. Well, sorry boys, football was invented to be a sporting competition. The fact others have come along and blown their little plan & cartel apart they can't handle. They created the very landscape which ultimately has ended their own dominance. They can use their FFP, Super League, puppet journalists & 'state-owned' narrative all they want, we are here now and we set the bar.

Whilst we are on the subject, let's take a look at Sportswashing. What for the life of me I can't understand, is why someone would buy a football club, whether that be Manchester City, Newcastle or otherwise, to whitewash their image on the global stage? Owning these huge British institutions with a global platform offered by the Premier League does nothing but shine a very bright light on the ills of any willing owner. Whether that be Saudi Arabia in Newcastle's case (see Howe's questions after the Chelsea game) or the constant deriding of human rights abuses in the UAE whenever City are mentioned. It is literally the worst thing one could do to clean their image. They have hijacked what is a very serious matter & issue. Whether it be Qatar getting the World Cup through bribes or Beijing with the Winter Olympics, they have turned a serious issue into a football tribalist buzzword.

The reality of course when you look at these investments is a lot deeper than ‘sportswashing’. It is clearly part of a wider strategy of investing in the UK economy, whether it be through Sheikh Mansour diversifying his business portfolio with City & Virgin Galactic, or the Saudi's continuing their policy of investing in Western culture and institutions, like Newcastle United, or the other £65b they have invested in across the country for that matter. In our case, who can reasonably deny the success of Sheikh Mansour’s vision? He bought an ailing football club for £220m and has turned it into a £4b goliath. He could sell off his shares tomorrow and be in the green by at least £3b, the fact he has already sold millions in shares to CMC & Silverlake is testament to his investment and forward planning on a business level. Sportswashing? Get to fuck.

Now, FWIW, I don't believe Sheikh Mansour, like all billionaires, to be holier than thou. For example, the stuff I've posted about the ongoing 1MDB scandal today concerns me, and I sincerely hope it does indeed transpire to be a false allegation around bribery. He is part of an absolute monarchy who could do better on human rights in the UAE by Western standards. However, I've given ample reasons in this thread alone why it’s far from best practice for Westerners to sit in judgment of a region such as the Gulf. The British & French are responsible for creating the great divides there after WW1, which still permeate the region to this very day. Even more so we shouldn't be hammering countries like the Sharia practicing UAE, which are clearly Western leaning in their overall cultural outlook and is only 50 years old. Who are we to tell them that their culture is wrong? Why is ours right when we have caused so much division & suffering throughout the world with our failed promises & proxy wars?

In fact, whilst we are on moral issues, what of the undeniable positive influences the game has made on our owner? Why is more not made of him getting behind the establishment of LGBTQ supporters clubs? Being a key figure in the women’s football revolution we’ve seen in this country over the last 8 years? Investing in a completely run down part of East Manchester etc. It goes to show what the game can do, how it can lead to Western and Middle Eastern aligning, this is surely a force for good.

Now, what I can point to as fact, are the below contributions of Sheikh Mansour bin Zayed Al-Nahyen to Manchester, Manchester City Football Club & the United Kingdom:

- The transformation of Manchester City into a global leading football club through shrewd investment, infrastructure and planning.
- Putting money in to the game, not taking it out.
- Transforming East Manchester with investment in the local economy, infrastructure & education.
- Bailing out Barclays Bank at the height of the Great Recession in 2008.
- Investing in the UK economy and infrastructure in other cities.
- Playing a key role in supporting UK intelligence & security in the Middle East

A real evil stain destroying the game eh? The only thing he's destroyed is the old boys club that sought to drain it of its resources and split them between each other.

So, what say you Neville? If you want all clubs reverting to fan ownership, you go first. Bin off your palm oil partner Lim @ Salford, who funds your little projects and who made his money destroying the environment. Is he 'palmoilwashing'? Live up to your own word and bin him. By your own estimation his money can't be 'clean'? Don’t lobby for the removal of individuals who have done more for the Premier League, UK economy & security than you ever could hope to. Someone who has done nothing wrong. Don’t compare him, or his state for that matter, to a certain Roman Abramovich, who was enabled by a imperialist Russian lunatic who is now invading his neighbours & destabilizing Europe, that’s why he’s lost Chelsea FC. Would love to see you ‘independent auditor’ justify trying to end Sheikh Mansour’s ownership of City, on what possible grounds?

Sports journalists, lobby the government to end our security agreements in the Middle-East. Whether they be our trade agreements or cultural investments there, don't do any business with them yourself or use their investments for your own interests. Don't work for companies like The Independent that are part owned by the Saudis and last of all, don't be a two-faced twat and live by your word. You may wish it different, but football is a business at the heart of the world economy, so it attracts the worlds capitalists. Football ownership isn’t perfect in this country, but it also provides a lot of good.

Very good post.

I only caught the last 5 minutes or so of neville’s ‘interview’ (seemed very staged and very sycophantic on the part of Beth Rigby) but would ask, if he’s so bothered about “dirty money” - as he said it - being in the PL, why stop at Newcastle and City - who were both named?

Edit - not that our ownership comes from ‘dirty money’.

He mentioned his unease at certain foreign ownerships but not once did he refer to any connected to the US - odd that isn’t it?!

Why did he only suggest that ownerships be investigated in respect of ’dirty money’. Surely, if he’s that impassioned about rooting out dirty money he’d be advocating investigations into sponsorship deals?

We all know the hypocrisy of so-called journalists when they blatantly ignore the nefarious dealings of their beloved liverpool’s sponsors when they breached sanctions - on more than one occasion.

What about utd’s Saudi sponsors or Chinese betting company’s that don’t exist?

No, Mr Neville’s agenda isn’t really about rooting out dirty money, it’s about targeting clubs who’s owners will invest in them and make them competitive - but more importantly, it’s a message to the PL that they don’t want another Arab entity purchasing CFC because that really would f*ck things up for the US cartel!

 

[Newman Noggs]

It really is pathetic all this talk of a quadruple, it's as though they'll just breeze past us now and the media have obviously got them down to beat us in a few weeks time. And if we play each other in the fa cup or champs league it's a formality that Liverpool will win both matches. Fucking bullshit!

How did you feel when the media were talking about City for the quadruple in previous seasons ? Personally, I hated it believing that the media were simply cranking up the pressure making every game a "must-win" and lining us up for the "failure" label if we didn't achieve something that had never been done before. So I'm okay with it. Indeed, I tell any scousers I know that I expect it given that everything about their club is the best in the world.

If they go on to do the quadruple, fair play, well done, the rest of us will have to suck it up. But if they don't, whatever they do win, I'll be telling them they've failed. And like when united won "the treble", they can only go downhill from there (although, I admit, we will be hearing about it for the next 30 years)

 

[SheliaTakeaBow]

Yes, you are right. He, and his father before him, were absolute saints before the visit

I’m not sure what gotcha you’re trying to make here but there’s an ocean of difference between the admittedly authoritarian figure Assad was in 2002 and the chemical weapons-using genocidist of 2010 onwards. Pretending otherwise in order to defend the UAE for meeting with him is pretty desperate stuff

 

[Ballosteve]

Very disturbed as well, Assad is up there with Putin - pure evil. Will be more ammunition as well against City

Now I don't know alot about middle east politics but the picture of mansour and the syrian leader just dosent look good and like people say it's another stick to beat us with...mansour will not stop his business just because he owns Manchester City football club but to alot of gobshites it's guilt by association..the whats app wankers will be tossing each other off...

 

[LangleyBlue1970]

How did you feel when the media were talking about City for the quadruple in previous seasons ? Personally, I hated it believing that the media were simply cranking up the pressure making every game a "must-win" and lining us up for the "failure" label if we didn't achieve something that had never been done before. So I'm okay with it. Indeed, I tell any scousers I know that I expect it given that everything about their club is the best in the world.

If they go on to do the quadruple, fair play, well done, the rest of us will have to suck it up. But if they don't, whatever they do win, I'll be telling them they've failed. And like when united won "the treble", they can only go downhill from there (although, I admit, we will be hearing about it for the next 30 years)

It used to annoy me too. It annoyed Pep, prompting him to repeatedly say it’s not possible.

So yes, with the media pressure on Liverpool that puts us in a better position to haul what we can.

 

[Newman Noggs]

Funny how, since City became successful, the football-covering media, firstly, became obsessed with the finances of football and now with world politics. Anything, in fact, but what is going on on the pitch. Strange.

 

[SilvaisSkyBlue]

Yes that was before he butchered hundreds of thousands of his own people

Ah well, that absolves the Queen and royal family of all responsibility then.

It could be pointed out that she and her upstanding family have met every dictator and despot of the 20th and 21st century all at the behest of whoever held power in the government of the day, and cosied up to whichever lunatic might serve our interests best at that particular time.

Not forgetting her direct family being very sympathetic to a certain odd looking goose stepping moustached fella who caused 60 million plus deaths, but yes she only met Assad pre genocide, well pointed out.

 

[halfcenturyup]

Funny how, since City became successful, the football-covering media, firstly, became obsessed with the finances of football and now with world politics. Anything, in fact, but what is going on on the pitch. Strange.

But not surprising how little they know about either .....

 

[BLUEBOY67]

Assad was alright when the queen had him over at the palace though.

That was before the mass murder of and chemical attacks on his own people