Mentally Ill held by police because no NHS here

Everyone leans one way or the other, at least if there are no party affiliations we dont end up in the same boat of keeping a party in power. it would certainly make it far easier to hold them to account because the voting record is there for all to see, so if they deviate from their commitment at least on the main issues its easy to kick them out.

Maybe it could be modified to everyone getting to pin their MP down on ten issues and demand a commitment to vote only one way on those before they get your vote, that would put the cat among the pigeons ;0).
"No party" politics. I doubt we will see that model anytime soon. A bit like turkeys voting for Christmas. I do like the notion of impartiality in running the NHS, amongst other things.
 
Says he continuing "The arms race" of who`s to blame ;0), I could counter every point you make but it wont solve it, so how about straight to the big one.

Any government can not be trusted to run an efficient NHS because government bureaucracy is grossly inefficient and a lot of politicians plain lying bastards.

The labour party want to keep it under government control.

The Tories can see full well that parts would be far more efficient if run like a private concern.

I would take it out of government control and form an independent body, with only one politician from each party, together with healthcare professionals, hospital managers representatives, and patient bodies making up a full time board, run it like a business but with providing the service its aims rather than making a profit.

It would require a budget ring fenced by agreement of both main parties, and while we have a party system that will never happen, fill the house with independent MPs and it might be a possibility one day.

The Blair and Brown Labour govt tried that - they consulted with the Conservatives over NHS plans but the Conservative opposition MP's just leaked the contents of the confidential discussions to the press and thus kyboshed any idea of parties colluding over the NHS.
 
The Blair and Brown Labour govt tried that - they consulted with the Conservatives over NHS plans but the Conservative opposition MP's just leaked the contents of the confidential discussions to the press and thus kyboshed any idea of parties colluding over the NHS.

I dont remember hearing about that, but then with Blair involved I question it was a simple co operation on the table. I am confident in saying if it had been the other way around then labour would kibosh a deal in the same way because all the pair of them do is find fault with any idea from the other side.

It does bring up the question of why the press have never hammered the idea that another way to run the NHS be found outside politics, I`m sure the public would be open to the idea of a truly independent set up that remained in state hands but ran like a business for the benefit of the patients.
 
This is called "bed blocking" and is a massive issue in the NHS.

The title here is right but it's phrased badly. It sounds like the Police are at fault. Often people are arrested for the safety of themselves aswell as others, and the Police are giving them somewhere to stay rather than throwing them out on the street when they need treatment.

There's about 500 different issues rolled into one with bed blocking but @Bigga summed it up when he said that it's essentially a lack of money problem. There's just not enough housing and it doesn't help that the private sector are the people who have picked up the slack, often charging huge fees to the NHS to give a mental health or end of life patient a shitty room somewhere. They're buying up old properties at auction, carving them up into as many rooms as possible, then packing them full of people that the NHS doesn't want to stay on a ward but still aren't well enough to go home.

It's a total disgrace.
 
This is called "bed blocking" and is a massive issue in the NHS.

The title here is right but it's phrased badly. It sounds like the Police are at fault. Often people are arrested for the safety of themselves aswell as others, and the Police are giving them somewhere to stay rather than throwing them out on the street when they need treatment.

There's about 500 different issues rolled into one with bed blocking but @Bigga summed it up when he said that it's essentially a lack of money problem. There's just not enough housing and it doesn't help that the private sector are the people who have picked up the slack, often charging huge fees to the NHS to give a mental health or end of life patient a shitty room somewhere. They're buying up old properties at auction, carving them up into as many rooms as possible, then packing them full of people that the NHS doesn't want to stay on a ward but still aren't well enough to go home.

It's a total disgrace.
Hear hear. It seems to have got worse through successive governments as well.
 
Yeah, the lad seemed quite happy there though.
Joking aside, that's nice to hear.
On a side note many years ago I played a friendly game of cricket against the patients at an institution near Leicester. We had to let them win as the year before they lost and nearly rioted as a consequence. "No ball, don't worry, that's not out!"
 

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