Middle East Conflict | Netanyahu orders strikes on Gaza (p1161)

grunge said:
Not when those "bullets" have another perfectly valid use tho.

A better analogy for me would be a plane, They could be developing a plane to fly from A to B. But then they could also use that plane to drop bombs. 2 very valid use cases but when there is no evidence that they are developing a bomb to drop the 1st step of developing the plane might be perfectly innocent.
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20%+ enriched U-235 has no other use except for nuclear weapons and perhaps nuclear powered ships and submarines of which Iran has none. Iran has one active nuclear reactor which uses low enriched fuel below 4% enrichment. So they're essentially spending a ton of money and resources to produce enriched nuclear materials which have no purpose.

Ask yourself this too, Iran relies upon nuclear for 1% of its power generation so why is this such a big issue? Iran has one nuclear powerplant and 3 nuclear enrichment facilities, why? Why also bury these enrichment facilities tens/hundreds of feet underground and then surround them with multiple security layers and air defences? This is not reflective of a civilian peaceful facility, it stinks of military use however indeed it has dual-use too.

I just don't see how anyone could believe this nonsense sorry. To me Iran does not have nuclear weapons but they purposely have gathered all of the ingredients and their rhetoric proves the will to create one so by default they must want one surely? The question really is whether that's enough to act against Iran.
 
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lee_wsm said:
Lots of sources online say Iran moved their uranium before strikes but who knows what to believe these days
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There were satellite images being shown of a convoy of trucks leaving Fordow days before it was attacked. I dont think this administration in the Whitehouse would admit if the $250,000 a piece bombs dropped from planes that are worth over $2 billion dollars didn’t provide the end product they desired.
 
The blue phantom said:
I can't believe that there's folk who think the Americans are doing the world a favour. They are a country who can't keep their nose out of anything, they are at their happiest when their bombs/missiles are killing folk around the world. Horrible bastards, Republicans & Democrats too.
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I can’t believe that there’s folk who think Iran is doing the world a favour. They are a country who can’t keep their nose out of anything, they are happiest when their bombs/missiles are killing folk around the world. Horrible bastards, Hamas and Hezbollah too.
 
inbetween said:
20%+ enriched U-235 has no other use except for nuclear weapons and perhaps nuclear powered ships and submarines of which Iran has none. Iran has one active nuclear reactor which uses low enriched fuel below 4% enrichment. So they're essentially spending a ton of money and resources to produce enriched nuclear materials which have no purpose.

Ask yourself this too, Iran relies upon nuclear for 1% of its power generation so why is this such a big issue? Iran has one nuclear powerplant and 3 nuclear enrichment facilities, why? Why also bury these enrichment facilities tens/hundreds of feet underground and then surround them with multiple security layers and air defences? This is not reflective of a civilian peaceful facility, it stinks of military use however indeed it has dual-use too.

I just don't see how anyone could believe this nonsense sorry. To me Iran does not have nuclear weapons but they purposely have gathered all of the ingredients and their rhetoric proves the will to create one so by default they must want one surely? The question really is whether that's enough to act against Iran.
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As I mention above. I think they probably were trying for it. but Id prefer real evidence before bombing, rather than just something suggestive of wrong doing. especially when the timing just feels like a distraction action.
 
metalblue said:
Iran warned Donald Trump it would activate sleeper-cell attacks inside the US if it were attacked in a message sent in the days before the American strikes, sources said

Not a terrorist state at all.
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When a country doesn’t have its own stealth bombers to fight back with, what else do you expect them to do to hit back?
 
Nightmare Walking said:
China needs to put some big boy pants on and offer some solutions instead of statements.
China could restrain both Russia and Iran, yet it chooses not to.
It could be the key player to help being peace to the world. Yet, it does fuck all.
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Because it can avoid getting involved and quietly gain more influence throughout the world via investment. They’re playing a blinder and it won’t be too long before they’re the daddy.
 
metalblue said:
Terrorism? Hyperbole at its finest, it might be many things from brilliant to stupid and illegal but terrorism? Fuck me sideways.
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Aggression or violence against parties not in a time of war to achieve a political goal?

Again it’s the LITERAL definition of terrorism. And I can’t stand the Iranian regime, but let’s call a spade a fucking spade.
 
metalblue said:
Iran warned Donald Trump it would activate sleeper-cell attacks inside the US if it were attacked in a message sent in the days before the American strikes, sources said

Not a terrorist state at all.
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What sources are these?
It's not as though the Americans and the Israelis have never made shit up to suit their narrative.
 
metalblue said:
So let’s say they bring down a passenger jet, according to Al Jazeera they have form (Lockerbie). You’d be sitting here saying it’s ok they are only playing the game according to their parameters? Fly a jet in to an office building? Bomb on the US subway? All the sorts of things “sleeper cells” do.

Iran isn’t some innocent misunderstood nation hell bent on peace.
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Lockerbie was Libya.
 
Both Israel/USA and Iran have awful administrations. This is where the real problem lies.

Iran poses a very real threat to so many different people. Their proxies are causing death and mayhem in the region, and under no circumstances should the world let alone the Israelis/US let them have a nuclear threat.

The US poses a very real threat to so many different people. Their arrogance is causing death and mayhem in the region, and under no circumstances should the world let the Israelis/USA do as they please.

It's a shit show, but anybody sticking up for Iran wants their heads feeling. Other than the usual suspects, no decent country wants anything to do with them.

It's a shit show, but anybody sticking up for the US/Israel wants their heads feeling. Other than the usual suspects, no decent country wants anything to do with them.

I think in this instance, regime change for Iran/Israel/USA is the best way forwards!
 
inbetween said:
A place so aggressive and racist that it welcomes those fleeing war, houses them and feeds them and then gives them another life?

A place so aggressive and racist that the fastest growing populations within it are these supposed oppressed?

It's sad to be so blinded by the politics of a relative minority that it causes you to hate your own home. Whatever Europe is or isn't, it's home, and unlike elsewhere it keeps you safe and it even allows you to post on this forum without fear of persecution or death.
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Very well said - there are a few (and seemingly a growing number) on here who just hate the UK
 
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