Middle East Conflict | Netanyahu orders strikes on Gaza (p1161)

Kirkstall Blue said:


An internment camp is being discussed by Trump and Netanyahu according to the BBC, “people will be allowed out but they can’t get back in” we do nothing to stop the madness, platitudes won’t help we have to stop the enforced relocation of two million Palestinians
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Well, some people thought they'd do something, by criminal damage to a plane assisting the genocide, but that's now terrorism.

(Cue excuses that it wasn't that particular plane...)
 
The blue phantom said:
When you actually sit down and think about what's happening in Gaza it's truly fuckin Bone Chilling. The world just watches Israel slaughtering folk day after day after day and so on. Wonder what go's on in those Palistinian kids minds. The images they must have in their heads of soldiers shooting at them and friends, family blown to bits. Totally and utterly helpless, trapped with zero chance of help off anyone. Unreal.
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It feels pretty clear by now that the end game is Israel fully annexing Palestine with the surviving Palestinians treated like the existing Arabs in East Jerusalem and Golan Heights.

Probably not given full citizenship - definitely not given nationality that grants the rights most people would expect everyone to have in a democracy, housing restrictions, forced ID cards, massive social disadvantages in education, land ownership and job opportunities.

Trump and the US are completely supportive, and the UK, France and Germany have decided they care more about not upsetting Israel and their own domestic pro-Israel lobbies than stopping it.

We’re just left watching until enough Palestinians to die of starvation, lack of medical care and being blown to pieces for Israel to not feel threatened by the size of the minority in their new expanded state.

It’s going to take months, years maybe, and every step of the way we will be told it’s not going to happen, it’s not genocide, it’s antisemitic to say so, and then in 2030 everyone will turn around and pretend it was inevitable and there’s nothing the west could do to stop it.
 
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TinFoilHat said:


Alistair Campbell calling Israel out as genocidal.

We're well and truly through the looking glass.
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I heard this yesterday and thought it might be significant as they are pretty establishment mainstream and it’s the 2nd most popular podcast in the country with 12m listeners. But sentiment in this country doesn’t feel like it’s changing that much, and it’s hard to believe this labour government listening even if the majority of people wanted to distance UK relations with Israel in the most timid way.
 
BlueRockape said:
I thought there is a world wide arrest warrant out for Netanyahu for war crimes?
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Netanyahu defies arrest warrant and visits Trump three times in the last couple of months. What it tells me is the organisations WHO, ICC, UN, and most of all NATO. unable to prevent war and a waste of our taxpayers money.
Trump will receive a Royal visit and when the slaughter of Palestinians is forgotten, Israeli government will be made welcome here in the UK the government to weak to act.

Meanwhile Israeli bombing continues since Netanyahu visited Trump to discuss his peace plan, across the Gaza Strip over 20 people killed including a mother and five children, other children were pulled out alive from under the sand buried by an Israeli bomb.
 
This is a UAE political strategist and Middle East expert, presumably connected to the powers that be in the UAE, so he speaks the views they hold.

They know who the real villain is.



Here's the full text to save you looking.

To my friends in the West: Civilizations collapse not by bombs, but by excuses. So, don't intellectualize terror. Justice begins when language is cleaned. Call terror by its name. Be like us in the UAE, which was the first Muslim Arab country to condemn the October 7 Hamas terrorist attacks on Israel. The Muslim Brotherhood, of which Hamas is the armed wing, is banned in the UAE. Meanwhile, in the West, particularly in the UK, Hamas has lawyers, charities, mosques, and even members of Parliament defending it. Yes, civilization is not a slogan. It is action. Civilization is not about tea and tweets. It is about drawing the line. In the UAE, we know that Islamist evil rarely arrives screaming. It comes dressed in reason, legality, and politeness until it owns the house. For example, Islamist extremists now hide behind seemingly innocent corporate fronts like “Cambridge Education and Training Center Ltd.” The UAE has banned it. The UK has not. This is not education. It is indoctrination. It is a propaganda factory exploiting the trust of British society, turning your children into ideological hostages. They hijack the name Cambridge, once a symbol of enlightenment, to spread antisemitism and Afghanistan Alqeeda-style hate narratives.

Why is London’s police not investigating Islamist-linked entities like Yas for Investment and Real Estates LTD and Holdco UK Properties Limited? These are not just business names. They are potential Trojan horses. They are acquiring properties, displacing local citizens, and possibly paving the way for former Al-Qaeda jihadist members and illegal networks to anchor themselves in your cities. How many more warnings will it take before the West understands? Safety is not racism. Security is not bigotry. There is no virtue in letting terror dress up as charity or extremism masquerade as education. We know what the Muslim Brotherhood is, the ideological parent of Hamas, Al-Qaeda, and ISIS. And yet, you give them home and citizenship.

With love and prayers, my heart is with every British, Canadian, Austrian, and everyone in the West.

Sheikh Mansour's brother, Sheikh Abdullah bon Zayed, and his fellow Deputy PM said a few years ago, "Justifying terrorism IS terrorism".

I assume you'll all be cancelling your season tickets?
 
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Prestwich_Blue said:
This is a UAE political strategist and Middle East expert, presumably connected to the powers that be in the UAE, so he speaks the views they hold.

They know who the real villain is.



Here's the full text to save you looking.

To my friends in the West: Civilizations collapse not by bombs, but by excuses. So, don't intellectualize terror. Justice begins when language is cleaned. Call terror by its name. Be like us in the UAE, which was the first Muslim Arab country to condemn the October 7 Hamas terrorist attacks on Israel. The Muslim Brotherhood, of which Hamas is the armed wing, is banned in the UAE. Meanwhile, in the West, particularly in the UK, Hamas has lawyers, charities, mosques, and even members of Parliament defending it. Yes, civilization is not a slogan. It is action. Civilization is not about tea and tweets. It is about drawing the line. In the UAE, we know that Islamist evil rarely arrives screaming. It comes dressed in reason, legality, and politeness until it owns the house. For example, Islamist extremists now hide behind seemingly innocent corporate fronts like “Cambridge Education and Training Center Ltd.” The UAE has banned it. The UK has not. This is not education. It is indoctrination. It is a propaganda factory exploiting the trust of British society, turning your children into ideological hostages. They hijack the name Cambridge, once a symbol of enlightenment, to spread antisemitism and Afghanistan Alqeeda-style hate narratives.

Why is London’s police not investigating Islamist-linked entities like Yas for Investment and Real Estates LTD and Holdco UK Properties Limited? These are not just business names. They are potential Trojan horses. They are acquiring properties, displacing local citizens, and possibly paving the way for former Al-Qaeda jihadist members and illegal networks to anchor themselves in your cities. How many more warnings will it take before the West understands? Safety is not racism. Security is not bigotry. There is no virtue in letting terror dress up as charity or extremism masquerade as education. We know what the Muslim Brotherhood is, the ideological parent of Hamas, Al-Qaeda, and ISIS. And yet, you give them home and citizenship.

With love and prayers, my heart is with every British, Canadian, Austrian, and everyone in the West.

Sheikh Mansour's brother, Sheikh Abdullah bon Zayed, and his fellow Deputy PM said a few years ago, "Justifying terrorism IS terrorism".

I assume you'll all be cancelling your season tickets?
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Never had much time for our owners so can’t say stuff like that comes as a big shock. No surprise either you dig up anything you can find whilst still denying genocide. The prisons or concentration camps they’re planning are probably holiday camps in your fucked up world.
 
Craig said:
Never had much time for our owners so can’t say stuff like that comes as a big shock. No surprise either you dig up anything you can find whilst still denying genocide. The prisons or concentration camps they’re planning are probably holiday camps in your fucked up world.
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You've no answer, so you have a go at me.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
You've no answer, so you have a go at me.
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No, i just don’t accept the argument. When the government and media in this country has been overwhelmingly pro Israel during all this to then find something the UAE has said as any kind of vindication for anything. Or to make out our government and media aren’t complicit or pro Israel is crazy to me.

We all condemn October 7th but that is no excuse for what’s carried on since. Just because our rich owners decided to buy us and pay for the glory that followed. Is hardly going to make many look to them for lectures on morality.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
This is a UAE political strategist and Middle East expert, presumably connected to the powers that be in the UAE, so he speaks the views they hold.

They know who the real villain is.



Here's the full text to save you looking.

To my friends in the West: Civilizations collapse not by bombs, but by excuses. So, don't intellectualize terror. Justice begins when language is cleaned. Call terror by its name. Be like us in the UAE, which was the first Muslim Arab country to condemn the October 7 Hamas terrorist attacks on Israel. The Muslim Brotherhood, of which Hamas is the armed wing, is banned in the UAE. Meanwhile, in the West, particularly in the UK, Hamas has lawyers, charities, mosques, and even members of Parliament defending it. Yes, civilization is not a slogan. It is action. Civilization is not about tea and tweets. It is about drawing the line. In the UAE, we know that Islamist evil rarely arrives screaming. It comes dressed in reason, legality, and politeness until it owns the house. For example, Islamist extremists now hide behind seemingly innocent corporate fronts like “Cambridge Education and Training Center Ltd.” The UAE has banned it. The UK has not. This is not education. It is indoctrination. It is a propaganda factory exploiting the trust of British society, turning your children into ideological hostages. They hijack the name Cambridge, once a symbol of enlightenment, to spread antisemitism and Afghanistan Alqeeda-style hate narratives.

Why is London’s police not investigating Islamist-linked entities like Yas for Investment and Real Estates LTD and Holdco UK Properties Limited? These are not just business names. They are potential Trojan horses. They are acquiring properties, displacing local citizens, and possibly paving the way for former Al-Qaeda jihadist members and illegal networks to anchor themselves in your cities. How many more warnings will it take before the West understands? Safety is not racism. Security is not bigotry. There is no virtue in letting terror dress up as charity or extremism masquerade as education. We know what the Muslim Brotherhood is, the ideological parent of Hamas, Al-Qaeda, and ISIS. And yet, you give them home and citizenship.

With love and prayers, my heart is with every British, Canadian, Austrian, and everyone in the West.

Sheikh Mansour's brother, Sheikh Abdullah bon Zayed, and his fellow Deputy PM said a few years ago, "Justifying terrorism IS terrorism".

I assume you'll all be cancelling your season tickets?
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Don't think you've answered the question re the West Bank yet?
 
Vic said:
Well, some people thought they'd do something, by criminal damage to a plane assisting the genocide, but that's now terrorism.

(Cue excuses that it wasn't that particular plane...)
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It’s not an excuse that an AAR aircraft that’s also used as for transporting military personnel is not “assisting the genocide”. It’s a fact.
 
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