Middle East Conflict | Netanyahu orders strikes on Gaza (p1161)

Kirkstall Blue said:
In his speech to the UN Netanyahu actually said “the Nazi didn’t give people the choice of leaving” he actually likened himself to Hitler.

What Hitler did was allow thousands of rich European Jews to leave on ships for Palestine
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Did Netanyahu really say that? Good grief - the whole Nazi policy for many years was to get Jews to leave. Before he got to the "final solution" he complained that other nations wouldn't have them. Reichstag speech 1939: "it is a shameful spectacle to see how the whole democratic world is oozing sympathy for the poor tormented Jewish people, but remains hard-hearted and obdurate when it comes to helping them"
 
Kirkstall Blue said:


In his speech to the UN Netanyahu actually said “the Nazi didn’t give people the choice of leaving” he actually likened himself to Hitler.

What Hitler did was allow thousands of rich European Jews to leave on ships for Palestine
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Jews were being pushed out under brutal persecution, not offered a choice. In the 1930s, some wealthy families managed to escape through exploitative deals like the Haavara Agreement, but that was under duress, not generosity. And by 1939–41, emigration was banned completely as the Nazis turned to mass murder. So yes, a few left on ships early on, but the idea that this was some benevolent gesture is just wrong.
 
Don Karleone said:
Pretty sure it was the people leaving. I'd like to think so, anyway.
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No it's israeli's and maybe a small amount of corrupt pals they have left. When I watched the video and realized who was clapping, I was amazed at how shameless and pathetic they could be to enthusiastically clap and whoop like that as everyone walks out, which just looks and is absolutely ridiculous

Then you see this from fox news - "Cheers erupt at the UN as Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu recalls the country’s pager operation against Hezbollah":



Everything is for show. It doesn't matter how ridiculous they look as they whoop and cheer as a room empties in disgust on the full video, because right wing media can manipulate what they have and frame it like another win for netanyahu and israel. They know what is actually happening and how ridiculous or pathetic it is doesn't actually matter - it's how they can frame and project it to the masses.

People with a passing interest will come across this video and obviously get a completely inaccurate view of the events and this will influence their opinion. This is how they enable the genocide
 
Snape said:
Jews were being pushed out under brutal persecution, not offered a choice. In the 1930s, some wealthy families managed to escape through exploitative deals like the Haavara Agreement, but that was under duress, not generosity. And by 1939–41, emigration was banned completely as the Nazis turned to mass murder. So yes, a few left on ships early on, but the idea that this was some benevolent gesture is just wrong.
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Don't tell me you think Netanyahu's ethnic cleansing is "benevolent"...
 
Vic said:
Don't tell me you think Netanyahu's ethnic cleansing is "benevolent"...
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My comment was only about the historical accuracy of what happened in the 1930s regarding Jewish emigration under the Nazis. It wasn’t in any way a defence of, or comparison to, what’s happening now.
 
Snape said:
Jews were being pushed out under brutal persecution, not offered a choice. In the 1930s, some wealthy families managed to escape through exploitative deals like the Haavara Agreement, but that was under duress, not generosity. And by 1939–41, emigration was banned completely as the Nazis turned to mass murder. So yes, a few left on ships early on, but the idea that this was some benevolent gesture is just wrong.
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Not only a “few” Jews left Europe for Palestine but thousands left over decades beginning in 1882 and as early as 1837 when the Zionist movement began. So not just a few on ships early on right throughout the 1930’s if you had the money people were leaving Europe.
 
Kirkstall Blue said:
Not only a “few” Jews left Europe for Palestine but thousands left over decades beginning in 1882 and as early as 1837 when the Zionist movement began. So not just a few on ships early on right throughout the 1930’s if you had the money people were leaving Europe.
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It’s important to separate voluntary Zionist migration from Nazi policy. By the mid-1930s, many Jews were escaping under persecution, often through harsh deals as I mentiond previoulsy like the Haavara Agreement, and after 1939 that door was effectively closed.
And many of those who got out actually returned to fight joining the French Resistance and helped smuggle other Jews out of Nazi-controlled Europe.
So the history is complex, there were large migration waves across decades, but under the Nazis it was never a matter of real choice.
 
Kirkstall Blue said:


Gaza tonight there is no justification for bombing whole buildings to bits/rubble it’s a cowardly thing to do, deliberately making people homeless

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And we are helping the Genociders because the RAF supposedly look for hostages ("yes the building you are targeting is empty, no hostages there, feel free to bomb it")
 
Kirkstall Blue said:


In his speech to the UN Netanyahu actually said “the Nazi didn’t give people the choice of leaving” he actually likened himself to Hitler.

What Hitler did was allow thousands of rich European Jews to leave on ships for Palestine
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In my opinion Netanyahu and his cabinet have done more to promote Anti-semitism than Hitler, Himmler and Eichmann.

As the Far Right rears its ugly head throughout the United States and Europe, the Jewish Diaspora need to raise their voices to demand Netanyahu and his cronies are removed from office or it is they who will suffer the backlash of growing Anti-semitism.

The IDF have gone far beyond the actions of the Russian military forces in the Ukraine but the West refuse to take any decisive action. If China was looking for a green light to invade and occupy Taiwan they only have to look at the inaction against Israel for its illegal occupation,ethnic cleansing and crimes against humanity.

The US and UK Governments are clearly complicit in the genocide of the Palestinians and we are well past the time of diplomatic words.

It is time for imposing meaningful trade and economic sanctions on Israel, expelling all Israeli ambassadors, arresting and prosecuting returning IDF soldiers who have served in Gaza and the West Bank and expelling Israelis from all sporting and cultural competitions.

How fucked up do things have to get before our elected politicians take meaningful action even if it means giving up on the personal financial benefits they receive from Israeli lobbyists ?
 
Blue Elvis said:
In my opinion Netanyahu and his cabinet have done more to promote Anti-semitism than Hitler, Himmler and Eichmann.

As the Far Right rears its ugly head throughout the United States and Europe, the Jewish Diaspora need to raise their voices to demand Netanyahu and his cronies are removed from office or it is they who will suffer the backlash of growing Anti-semitism.

The IDF have gone far beyond the actions of the Russian military forces in the Ukraine but the West refuse to take any decisive action. If China was looking for a green light to invade and occupy Taiwan they only have to look at the inaction against Israel for its illegal occupation,ethnic cleansing and crimes against humanity.

The US and UK Governments are clearly complicit in the genocide of the Palestinians and we are well past the time of diplomatic words.

It is time for imposing meaningful trade and economic sanctions on Israel, expelling all Israeli ambassadors, arresting and prosecuting returning IDF soldiers who have served in Gaza and the West Bank and expelling Israelis from all sporting and cultural competitions.

How fucked up do things have to get before our elected politicians take meaningful action even if it means giving up on the personal financial benefits they receive from Israeli lobbyists ?
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Exactly I agree we have missed so many steps to curb the actions of a gross over reaction by the Israeli government.
Months ago we could have expelled the Israeli ambassador banned Israel from all sporting events, it worked so well in South Africa. We still haven’t done any of those steps.

If we had taken a firm line in the beginning then Netanyahu may have taken a different path, parliament is complicit in the genocide.

Online antisemitism has risen sharply you and I would treat Jewish people like any other person but you always find people who cannot distinguish between the actions of Netanyahu and ordinary Jews
 
A zionist called larry ellison is buying tiktok so he can control its content (ie spread propaganda, suppress free speech). Americans are pushing back:



Influencers paid off by israel continue to make content that is backfiring spectacularly

 
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