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Same ... and then thought surely not. Apparently his name is/was Richard Carleton.
Middle East Conflict | Netanyahu orders strikes on Gaza (p1161)
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Israel has lost the propaganda war in the last 2 years. In the previous decades it was always in control of the narrative. Basically spinning it that they were the good guys who just wanted a safe haven to live and look what the Palestinians were doing to them.
This latest development that looks on the surface to benefit everyone is just a smokescreen.
Something will happen, it always does, and Israel will continue bombarding Gaza.
Trump, Netanyahu, Blair, Erdoghan, various Saudi princes. None of these have ever had the Palestinian's best interests at heart.
And they're not going to start now.
This latest development that looks on the surface to benefit everyone is just a smokescreen.
Something will happen, it always does, and Israel will continue bombarding Gaza.
Trump, Netanyahu, Blair, Erdoghan, various Saudi princes. None of these have ever had the Palestinian's best interests at heart.
And they're not going to start now.
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I have no idea why Netanyahu keeps shuttling backwards and forwards to Washington. On the face of it nothing changes yet his depraved genocide continues unabated on an industrial scale. What is it now? 60,000?
The sooner he and Trump are brought to justice the better.
The sooner he and Trump are brought to justice the better.
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“The Global Sumud Flotilla is entering its final stretch, with Israeli interception anticipated within 24–48 hours. Despite exhaustion, spirits remain strong. The mission is clear: deliver aid, keep global focus on Gaza, and raise political pressure. Italian and Spanish naval escorts may deter violence, but risks remain”
This how could anyone enjoy a holiday in Gaza surrounded by Netanyahu/Trump voters running the Las Vegas style holiday apartments, only the worst of humanity will book a trip knowing they are walking amongst the remains of thousands of dead Palestinians buried under the rubble.
The BBC said it will take decades to clear the rubble so not far from your beach front hotel with miraculous view behind is the gates of hell
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Looks like blairs inclusion in the palestine carve up has got the left and right in agreement again (also see digital id). These were consecutive tweets on my "For You" timeline last night:
Few front pages from blairs illegal war back in the day that claimed the lives of thousands of UK and US troops and hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi civilians. If that isn't terrorism then what the fuck is??
Reminder that netanyahu helped lie us into the illegal Iraq war that claimed so many lives. And despite him butting in and helping push us into another conflict that seemingly again only benefitted israel, israel never had any boots on the ground at any point:
"No question whatsoever". 20+ years and a genocide later and some people still actually believe anything that comes out of this monsters mouth. Do we ever fucking learn?
Few front pages from blairs illegal war back in the day that claimed the lives of thousands of UK and US troops and hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi civilians. If that isn't terrorism then what the fuck is??
Reminder that netanyahu helped lie us into the illegal Iraq war that claimed so many lives. And despite him butting in and helping push us into another conflict that seemingly again only benefitted israel, israel never had any boots on the ground at any point:
"No question whatsoever". 20+ years and a genocide later and some people still actually believe anything that comes out of this monsters mouth. Do we ever fucking learn?
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Nothing at all in any of this agreement about the Israeli's mass murder in the West Bank and annexation. So that's still good to go.
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60 thousand civilians 30 thousand combatants the Israelis gave the 30 thousand number and said it was a ratio of two civilians to one combatant. They are proud of their figures better than any other war. It’s not a war though it’s an invasion one side has tanks and planes
20 years and everybody forgot or did they ? Trump and Netanyahu will welcome their buddy Blair he is a self centred hypocrite.
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Maybe that was point 21 on last weeks agreement between Trump and the regional governments which is now presented as a 20 point plan?
Same old script
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Thoughtful analysis as ever by Mouin.
When you look at the overall text it has Oslo written all over it. Israel has rights the Palestinians have obligations.
When you look at the overall text it has Oslo written all over it. Israel has rights the Palestinians have obligations.
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The flotilla reaching the point of no return in the next few hours, the Israelis ramping up the pressure calling them terrorist the kids waiting on the beach.
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I think the rights and obligations thing has been there since the creation of Israel.
As westerners we have the rights and the colonised are obligated to fall in line.
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They'll probably murder Greta and some of the insecure men on here will cheer it.
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The Global Sumud Flotilla released a statement saying that it had been informed by the Italian Foreign Ministry that an Italian navy ship shadowing the flotilla would soon offer activists on board the chance to abandon ship before entering a “critical zone” near Gaza.
“Let us be absolutely clear: this is not protection, it is sabotage,” the statement said. “It is an attempt to demoralize and fracture a peaceful humanitarian mission that governments have failed to take on themselves, even though it is their silence and complicity that led to this point.”
Italy and Spain have sent naval vessels to shadow the flotilla since last week, after a series of attacks on the flotilla.
“Every single participant on board came with full knowledge of the risks,” the statement added. “We are not here under any false illusion. We are here because it is far more dangerous to remain silent in the face of genocide, starvation, and collective punishment than it is to sail carrying humanitarian aid.”
“The Italian government knows this, and yet instead of using its considerable naval power to break an illegal siege, it is choosing to escort us only to the point of danger and then try to peel us away, delivering us back to shore empty-handed.”
“The Italian navy will not derail this mission,” the statement said.
There's a surprise!
“Let us be absolutely clear: this is not protection, it is sabotage,” the statement said. “It is an attempt to demoralize and fracture a peaceful humanitarian mission that governments have failed to take on themselves, even though it is their silence and complicity that led to this point.”
Italy and Spain have sent naval vessels to shadow the flotilla since last week, after a series of attacks on the flotilla.
“Every single participant on board came with full knowledge of the risks,” the statement added. “We are not here under any false illusion. We are here because it is far more dangerous to remain silent in the face of genocide, starvation, and collective punishment than it is to sail carrying humanitarian aid.”
“The Italian government knows this, and yet instead of using its considerable naval power to break an illegal siege, it is choosing to escort us only to the point of danger and then try to peel us away, delivering us back to shore empty-handed.”
“The Italian navy will not derail this mission,” the statement said.
There's a surprise!
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If only their ability to slaughter people was as piss poor as their propaganda.
Claiming a flotilla member is khaamass by using a picture of George Galloway. Fucking clowns.
Claiming a flotilla member is khaamass by using a picture of George Galloway. Fucking clowns.
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All night long the bombs kept falling :(
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The bombing never stops day and night.
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This
Deradicalization is the word of the day. Not of Israel, its genocidal apartheid regime, and the fanatic society that sustains it and drives it to ever greater extremes. But of the Palestinians it has dispossessed, of those who have lived under its jackboot for almost eight decades, and particularly of Palestinian society in the Gaza Strip that has experienced two years of genocide.
It is the main item of the first article of the Trump-Netanyahu twenty-point initiative. Needless to say it has been enthusiastically embraced by the editors of the New York Times. One can similarly imagine the NYT reporting from Poland in 1943 and publishing an editorial that sanctimoniously proclaims that the main impediment to peace in Europe is the Bolshevik virus that has infected the continent’s Jews.
The concept of deradicalization has a long pedigree. At heart, it is based on the premise that colonial subjects have no grievances towards their foreign rulers. They are empty vessels, with not a thought in their heads, happily farming fruit and vegetables in their sunny fields, grateful for the many improvements their overlords have generously bestowed upon them.
More to the point, they are so backwards and ignorant they are completely unaware that they can or should have grievances. Until, that is, nefarious outsiders appear on the scene and plant diabolical ideas about freedom, equality, and liberation in their simple minds, and terrorize them into participating in revolts and rebellions.
The natives, duly infected with ideas like independence, social justice, and the redistribution of wealth, need to be deradicalized so that the natural order of things can be restored. The outside agitators need to be cleansed from the body politic, and the natives re-educated to once again thoughtlessly till the fields, concerned only about the harvest and making sure the chickens have enough to eat.
The Palestinian case is no different. They hate Zionism and Israel only because they have been taught and terrorized into doing so by Haj Amin al-Husseini, Yasir Arafat and the PLO, Hamas, and of course UNRWA. If we can only reform the Palestinian school curriculum yet again, Palestinians will learn to peacefully co-exist with dispossession, apartheid, and genocide.
Imagine, for a moment, that Palestinian schoolchildren were to start the day singing Hatikva, are taught that the Holy Trinity in fact consists of Yitzhak Shamir, David Ben-Gurion, and Theodor Herzl, spend an hour a week studying Binyamin Netanyahu’s addresses to Congress, dutifully rising from their seats every time the seals that swim in the Capitol give him yet another standing ovation, and are made to chant “Death to the Arabs” a dozen times before going to sleep under a Maccabi Tel Aviv poster.
Does anyone in their right mind genuinely believe Palestinians can be taught to peacefully co-exist with dispossession and oppression?
If Palestinians are indeed radicalized, the agents of their radicalization are Israel and its policies, not least its compulsive murder of their children. The only available formula for deradicalization is Palestinian rights, first and foremost their inalienable right to self-determination.
The beauty of Trump’s initiative is that “deradicalization” is not defined, and with ever-shifting goalposts moved at Israel's discretion can therefore never be achieved. And until it is, Israel will be free to continue radicalizing Palestinians with its bombs, bullets, and bulldozers with total impunity.
Deradicalization is the word of the day. Not of Israel, its genocidal apartheid regime, and the fanatic society that sustains it and drives it to ever greater extremes. But of the Palestinians it has dispossessed, of those who have lived under its jackboot for almost eight decades, and particularly of Palestinian society in the Gaza Strip that has experienced two years of genocide.
It is the main item of the first article of the Trump-Netanyahu twenty-point initiative. Needless to say it has been enthusiastically embraced by the editors of the New York Times. One can similarly imagine the NYT reporting from Poland in 1943 and publishing an editorial that sanctimoniously proclaims that the main impediment to peace in Europe is the Bolshevik virus that has infected the continent’s Jews.
The concept of deradicalization has a long pedigree. At heart, it is based on the premise that colonial subjects have no grievances towards their foreign rulers. They are empty vessels, with not a thought in their heads, happily farming fruit and vegetables in their sunny fields, grateful for the many improvements their overlords have generously bestowed upon them.
More to the point, they are so backwards and ignorant they are completely unaware that they can or should have grievances. Until, that is, nefarious outsiders appear on the scene and plant diabolical ideas about freedom, equality, and liberation in their simple minds, and terrorize them into participating in revolts and rebellions.
The natives, duly infected with ideas like independence, social justice, and the redistribution of wealth, need to be deradicalized so that the natural order of things can be restored. The outside agitators need to be cleansed from the body politic, and the natives re-educated to once again thoughtlessly till the fields, concerned only about the harvest and making sure the chickens have enough to eat.
The Palestinian case is no different. They hate Zionism and Israel only because they have been taught and terrorized into doing so by Haj Amin al-Husseini, Yasir Arafat and the PLO, Hamas, and of course UNRWA. If we can only reform the Palestinian school curriculum yet again, Palestinians will learn to peacefully co-exist with dispossession, apartheid, and genocide.
Imagine, for a moment, that Palestinian schoolchildren were to start the day singing Hatikva, are taught that the Holy Trinity in fact consists of Yitzhak Shamir, David Ben-Gurion, and Theodor Herzl, spend an hour a week studying Binyamin Netanyahu’s addresses to Congress, dutifully rising from their seats every time the seals that swim in the Capitol give him yet another standing ovation, and are made to chant “Death to the Arabs” a dozen times before going to sleep under a Maccabi Tel Aviv poster.
Does anyone in their right mind genuinely believe Palestinians can be taught to peacefully co-exist with dispossession and oppression?
If Palestinians are indeed radicalized, the agents of their radicalization are Israel and its policies, not least its compulsive murder of their children. The only available formula for deradicalization is Palestinian rights, first and foremost their inalienable right to self-determination.
The beauty of Trump’s initiative is that “deradicalization” is not defined, and with ever-shifting goalposts moved at Israel's discretion can therefore never be achieved. And until it is, Israel will be free to continue radicalizing Palestinians with its bombs, bullets, and bulldozers with total impunity.
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This is her from Yesterday. Theve just been proscribed as a state committing genocide. Banned all pro Palestinian reporters from the Labour gathering. Fuckin shameless bastards.
