Middle East Conflict | Netanyahu orders strikes on Gaza (p1161)

[The Future’s Blue!]

Like I say, there are some good Tories.

 

[Gorton_Tubster]

So are all jews like that?

I dont even know why people share this stuff as if its an example of how shit 1 side or the other are. They are both shite

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

Dialogue is happening 24/7 mate as it always is behind the scenes, no doubt led by the US and Qatar given their influences.

I don’t for one second think Israel will agree to the release of anyone they feel immediately becomes a threat to their security in any ongoing conflict but down the line if a solution and peace is possible then absolutely it would need to happen.

What’s imperative right now is a ceasefire asap and there is no way Israel would hold any sort of moral high ground or support if they was to continue as they are now after hostages had been released.

Sadly, I don’t think Hamas care enough about the lives of innocent civilians in Gaza and the West Bank to make it happen. More cash into private bank accounts of Hamas leaders from Qatar and a guarantee for their lives is probably the only key to the door right now.

The ceasefire, we agree on.
How you get it, I might not be as hung up on, as yourself or some others perhaps.
I agree dialogue is going on behind the scenes all the time no matter what we’re told. The North should teach us that.
How you get rid of Hamas, I don’t know, but if Palestine is to be treated as one state in a two state solution, if that ever gets back on the table, then you cannot talk about Gaza without involving The West Bank is the direction I would head in.

 

[blueinsa]

The ceasefire, we agree on.
How you get it, I might not be as hung up on, as yourself or some others perhaps.
I agree dialogue is going on behind the scenes all the time no matter what we’re told. The North should teach us that.
How you get rid of Hamas, I don’t know, but if Palestine is to be treated as one state in a two state solution, if that ever gets back on the table, then you cannot talk about Gaza without involving The West Bank is the direction I would head in.

Agree.

Gaza and the West Bank are as one in any solution and peace.

How we get there I have literally no idea given the hatred on both sides right now.

 

[trueblue1972]

Agree.

Gaza and the West Bank are as one in any solution and peace.

How we get there I have literally no idea given the hatred on both sides right now.

It's also going to need an independent peacekeeping force for quite some time whos going to do that ?

 

[Tim of the Oak]

 

[Vic]

Absolutely.

If that was too happen Israel would find it impossible to fail to listen to calls for an immediate ceasefire and the political pressure would imo be almost total.

And when there are no hostages in Gaza, what restrains Israel? (From doing to the south what they've done to the north?)

 

[Vic]

This has to end asap and it has to end round a table with meaningful talks towards a lasting solution and peace.

Hostages being returned alive is the very first step in that. Without it, Israel will not stop and key allies will back them fully.

Release the hostages and there can be no excuse and the key allies will imo tell Israel enough is enough.

And if Israel does not stop?

 

[Vic]

Absolutely.

If that was too happen Israel would find it impossible to fail to listen to calls for an immediate ceasefire and the political pressure would imo be almost total.

Leaving thousands of Hamas fighters in the south?

 

[Tim of the Oak]

Hard to know who to believe.

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

It's also going to need an independent peacekeeping force for quite some time whos going to do that ?

Is there any point in suggesting the UN?

 

[Tim of the Oak]

 

[blueinsa]

It's also going to need an independent peacekeeping force for quite some time whos going to do that ?

You would say a UN peacekeeping force would go in.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

 

[blueinsa]

Leaving thousands of Hamas fighters in the south?

Do you lot want a solution and ceasefire or are you now playing yeah but what if to try and find reasons for it not too happen?

That’s your third attempt Vic.

You do want a ceasefire don’t you?

 

[Tim of the Oak]

 

[hateutd]

I had no idea that we could add music to this thread, fearing it too contentious an issue with civilian deaths on both sides numbering in their thousands. Here then is a young child with an incredibly angelic voice, singing the Shema to the Israeli soldiers and then blowing his Shofar.

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

Hamas and the Netanyahu government are terrorists. They both need to be relieved of governance.

 

[Roachy]

Do you lot want a solution and ceasefire or are you now playing yeah but what if to try and find reasons for it not too happen?

That’s your third attempt Vic.

You do want a ceasefire don’t you?

Not if it means the release of those being held hostage by Hamas , women and kids included, according to him. He made an awful comment before that without hostages what restrains Israel.

 

[Vic]

Do you lot want a solution and ceasefire or are you now playing yeah but what if to try and find reasons for it not too happen?

That’s your third attempt Vic.

You do want a ceasefire don’t you?

Yes.

That's simple enough. But it isn't simple, is it?

I'll take an unconditional ceasefire. Then negotiate.

Or do you only want a ceasefire if Hamas agrees to free hostages? And Israel gives guarantees not then to resume bombing the south? And not pursuing what's left of Hamas? (And Hamas stops firing rockets at Israel?)

It's bad enough people being simplistic about the history of the conflict without being simplistic about the future.