Middle East Conflict | Netanyahu orders strikes on Gaza (p1161)

The Hamas tunnels under Shifa Hospital​

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The Hamas tunnels under Shifa Hospital, according to Israel

The Israeli army presented the tunnel shafts they say were being operated by Islamist militant group Hamas to attack Israel, as well as an array of heavy arms laid outside of Gaza's largest hospital, saying they were found within the hospital and vehicles parked within the compound in a span of...
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Fox’s Yingst Reports From Hamas Tunnels Under Al-Shifa Hospital: Israel Says This is ‘Just the Tip of the Iceberg’

While Fox notes Yingst was among the first journalists to report from the tunnels, Reuters simultaneously published a series of photos taken from inside the tunnels.
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TinFoilHat said:
"The War will continue until Hammas are discontinued and obliterated"

Translation: This war will continue until every Palestinian is ejected from Palestine and I can take over their land for my country.
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and when Egypt, Lebanon, Jordon etc just say " no we aren't taking them its your mess you clean it up "? Fucking cheek

 
Uptop said:
Grayzone is just straight propaganda, how are things like this still getting linked in here?
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Firstly, the source of the information is not Grayzone but Haaretz, YNET, and Israeli National Radio.

Secondly, the comments were directly stated in verbatim and quote-unquoted by the Commander, Brigadier General, Minister, Captains and Lts. Those were presented by people in the frontline. It’s not propaganda if the terms are based, in verbatim, straight from the horses’ mouths.
 
inbetween said:
These are really bizarre articles.

The first one has already been debunked as Apache footage that came from the Iraq war. It's very interesting in that it's quite clearly an anti-NATO website, go figure? In any event, militaries do not routinely release HUD footage one month after the event, especially sensitive footage which will be classified. It also mentions a Police report, the Police do not investigate military matters in most countries because militaries have their own Police.

If the Socialist Worker has been issued with a D-notice, so what? D-notices are routinely issued for sensitive military operations, this is to protect the people involved and not to cover anything up. Clearly the Socialist Worker doesn't give a shit about the wellbeing of British military personnel on operations.

On the last one, the RAF routinely flies throughout the area. The aircraft in question may be supplying aid or who knows what. I really don't see the point that is trying to be made? The UK supplies relatively limited arms to Israel and certainly munitions will not be supplied using RAF aircraft.
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If you are debunking the video (Video A, 0:14s length), at least consider its plausibility by debunking it with facts.

Firstly, that video (Video A) is not an Apache footage from the Iraq war. Geoconfirmed has (as how they did assert on the Al-Shifa bombing and some have based that as confirmed, not plausible as how I consider of facts) geolocated of that very specific video, as the video on Gaza border. It is used as evidence that it is not near the Supernova Festival (10km away). That FLIR video is geolocation specific to one Apache only.

Secondly, based on the airforce reports and doubly asserted by Col. Nof Erez (the pilot) in general (but not of exactly which of the 28 helicopters), 2 Apache helicopters started 7.30am. Eventually 28 helicopters overall were engaged by 10.30am.

In reference of 28 helicopters in the melee, the FLIR video is one helicopter out of 28. Currently, no other FLIR videos of the 27 other helicopters have been made public. Ergo, the sites of where the helicopters were in have no information, be it visual or geolocation.
Again, plausibility is there, yet we shall all not conclude one over the other because of Confirmation Bias. The evidence is still not the final verdict.

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To correct the name from Lof to Nof.

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There is another news early November 2023, of a person by the name Col. Nof Erez (pilot) has been immediately terminated by Commander of the Airforce, reasons unknown.

Another video (Video B), a collection of FLIR footages approximately 2+ minutes length of each vehicle strike footage, with also footage of people on foot (without vehicles). The source is hitherto unknown, and there is no geolocation (including none by Geoconfirmed yet) except for the video watermark overlay down-right corner in Hebrew including date of publication 15.10.2023.

The original source of the whole Video B is unknown, but parts of the footages of Video B, specifically of footages of 2 vehicle strikes, have been and still is accessible via the blueticked X (Twitter) official account of IDF, on 9 October 2023 (thus Video C).
 
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cucumberman said:
Firstly, the source of the information is not Grayzone but Haaretz, YNET, and Israeli National Radio.

Secondly, the comments were directly stated in verbatim and quote-unquoted by the Commander, Brigadier General, Minister, Captains and Lts. Those were presented by people in the frontline. It’s not propaganda if the terms are based, in verbatim, straight from the horses’ mouths.
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It’s the conclusions drawn that are propaganda, and those conclusions are down to Grayzone.
 
I wish Netanyahu would keep quiet for a day and give the 50 hostages the best chance of being reunited with their families. It’s obvious that Mossad will try to kill the Hamas terrorists behind the October 7th massacre. It doesn’t need saying.

Sometimes revenge takes many years. The likely mastermind of the Munich 1972 Olympic Games atrocity, Ali Hassan Salameh, was killed 7 years after the event, after several failed assassination attempts.

I don’t get the obsession with criticising “X” on here. Yes there’s misleading information on there. That’s not unusual. For example, Colonel Richard Kemp is doing the media rounds this morning and the BBC (yet again) haven’t informed the public that he is paid for by the Israeli authorities. I think the BBC and many other media outlets are doing a good job (in the main) of covering the terrible situation.

We now know that some of the rave goers were probably killed by Israeli forces on 7th October. There would have been mass panic so that’s not a big surprise. It doesn’t change the fact that the deaths wouldn’t have happened without the terrorist attack. Hamas are responsible for the deaths, whatever the intelligence and military response possible failings.
 
I'm With Stupid said:
I've read that sentence several times and I still don't get it. Has he missed a bit of it?
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Yes. It says this:
"Therefore, while Lineker's views on the Israel-Hamas conflict are controversial, his comments do not appear to represent a breach of impartiality rules."

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Gary Lineker sparks fresh impartiality row after sharing video of professor who accuses Israel of 'genocide'

Gary Lineker has sparked a fresh BBC impartiality row after he shared a video in which an Israeli academic accused Israel of 'textbook genocide' in Gaza.
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For Video B on the FLIR footages uploaded by IDF, portions of the video are still on their Twitter (X) account (Video C), while other portions of that Video B no longer available, and those who copied the videos have theirs deleted. The only 2 available are posted by DailyMail and an unlisted video by a personal account (still accessible via Reddit to the unlisted Youtube). The DailyMail upload of Video B is here, make of that video as you will. I find it plausible but not affirmative yet.



In relation to vehicles condition after Hellfire or other form of munition, consider watching the evidence of wrecked vehicles from the Supernova Rave Festival. There are more than 100 vehicles:



Again, make of it what you will. The comment thread on that Youtube video of the wrecked cars have a certain leaning towards the probable cause.
 
cucumberman said:
Firstly, the source of the information is not Grayzone but Haaretz, YNET, and Israeli National Radio.

Secondly, the comments were directly stated in verbatim and quote-unquoted by the Commander, Brigadier General, Minister, Captains and Lts. Those were presented by people in the frontline. It’s not propaganda if the terms are based, in verbatim, straight from the horses’ mouths.
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The Grayzone is a propaganda outlet which aligns with authoritarian regimes talking points and lies, this is enough for me to discount what they report as they cant be trusted. There is no way to know if they are being truthful with the information they present without me having to check all the sources myself as they have a history of misrepresenting things.

The linked article claims Hamas didnt deliberately attack the festival and that they just got caught in crossfire between police/military on the way somewhere else, which is a lie. I have seen a video recorded on the day by someone at the festival showing the paragliders arriving and immediately shooting at them, there was no police or military involved at that point. They try to muddy the story further by using a quote suggesting Hamas didnt know about the party in advance as though this absolves them, they still carried out the attack even if it wasnt originally planned. They finish suggesting "it was the Israeli military which bears responsibility for the Nova music festival killings — not Hamas" which tells you everything.

Col. Erez is a reservist and it isnt known if he was involved during this event. His quotes are entirely speculating on what might have happened rather than stating facts, it is possible he is correct but his quotes arnt definitive of anything and are again being used to suggest Israel are the ones to blame for the deaths and lessen Hamas' role.

Im not denying that Israel didnt kill some of their own but that The Grayzone is a terrible source of information with ulterior motives using out of context information to paint its own narrative. If it is true a more reputable source will be able to confirm it.
 
Uptop said:
The Grayzone is a propaganda outlet which aligns with authoritarian regimes talking points and lies, this is enough for me to discount what they report as they cant be trusted. There is no way to know if they are being truthful with the information they present without me having to check all the sources myself as they have a history of misrepresenting things.

The linked article claims Hamas didnt deliberately attack the festival and that they just got caught in crossfire between police/military on the way somewhere else, which is a lie. I have seen a video recorded on the day by someone at the festival showing the paragliders arriving and immediately shooting at them, there was no police or military involved at that point. They try to muddy the story further by using a quote suggesting Hamas didnt know about the party in advance as though this absolves them, they still carried out the attack even if it wasnt originally planned. They finish suggesting "it was the Israeli military which bears responsibility for the Nova music festival killings — not Hamas" which tells you everything.

Col. Erez is a reservist and it isnt known if he was involved during this event. His quotes are entirely speculating on what might have happened rather than stating facts, it is possible he is correct but his quotes arnt definitive of anything and are again being used to suggest Israel are the ones to blame for the deaths and lessen Hamas' role.

Im not denying that Israel didnt kill some of their own but that The Grayzone is a terrible source of information with ulterior motives using out of context information to paint its own narrative. If it is true a more reputable source will be able to confirm it.
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That is fair. To each his own.

The verdict is still open for more conclusive evidence, so I haven’t reached a definite motive. The wreckage of the more than 100 cars, particularly of them being mainly flattened from roof down, suggests precision strike air-to-ground. Consider paragliders with RPG being extremely very manually precise and skilled by eyesight, or an aircraft vehicle by default equipped with laser guided precision missile. To wreck moving vehicles.

On Col. Erez, he has been a pilot for more than 20 years. Colonel is one of the highest calibre of ranks, above Lts, Captains and Majors but below Brigadier General.
 
In recent days, we have seen the devastating invasion of the State of Israel by Hamas terrorists. This is an act of war and invasion of the Promised Land that was given to the people of Israel by God....

It is more critical now than ever that we teach our kids and grandkids the importance of our alliance with the State of Israel. They are our most important strategic ally – and they are a dear friend to the United States of America.

If we fail to educate our children of Israel’s importance, we risk raising a generation that sees no need to protect our most important strategic ally. Americans must always understand the significance of this land that God has promised to the Israelites; they must respect the Jewish people and the State of Israel; and they must always be on the side of freedom and good, never on the side of terrorism and evil.

From October 13th.

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Exclusive—Gov. Kristi Noem: Protecting the Promised Land

Israel embraces democracy; their military strength is a shield for us in a dangerous land; and they are our friends.
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