Middle East Conflict | Netanyahu orders strikes on Gaza (p1161)

manclad said:
Yom Kippur war started almost exactly 50 years ago.
And after Israel eventually won the conflict, OPEC countries in the Middle East response by quadrupling the cost of oil.
And that caused huge inflation (and by implication huge financial interest rates) throughout the 1970s and into the 1980s.
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I would think we might see some serious ripples from this but it’s absolutely fucking nothing compared to the carnage that’s been unleashed on civilians.
 
Paul1970 said:
Understand your anger and frustration and this should not be happening but let’s be honest Isreal are not saints either and over the years they have displaced hundreds and thousands of people . How would you feel if one day you were kicked out if your house and told to leave as it was being claimed by someone else . You will know alot more about this conflict than me but it’s not all one sided either .
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Did you know that hundreds of thousands of Jews in Arab and North African countries were also either intimidated into leaving or expelled from their ancestral homes, mainly between 1948 (although it started before then) and the 1980's? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_exodus_from_the_Muslim_world

And that's the problem in this conflict. Both sides feel they have grounds for claiming, or have suffered, injustice over many years. And they have got grounds.

Someone asked how did it start. It pretty well goes back to biblical times.
 
MCFC ISRAEL said:
ImIsrael will have to destroy Hamas this time.
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Which is why this conflict will rumble on and on, long past my death and probably my children’s and their children.

By the time Israel has finished avenging this, no matter how many they’ve killed, there will be record numbers prepared to retaliate the retaliation.
 
Millwallawayveteran1988 said:
I just watched the footage of that building flattened in the Gaza. Anyone could have been caught up in that. What a horrible situation.
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Oh wow.
If you want I have hundreds of videos to send you about the murder of innocent citizens, executions, hundreds of bodies on the streets in Israel of children women and old people. Or is your humanity and love of people limited to only one side here? And just so you know, the Israeli army notifies the Palestinians hours before it demolishes any building to evacuate innocents. If we wanted to just kill them we could do it in 5 minutes. We are at war and still trying to avoid harming innocents
 
Millwallawayveteran1988 said:
I just watched the footage of that building flattened in the Gaza. Anyone could have been caught up in that. What a horrible situation.
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Depending which vid that is, it might not be recent. The most popular one I’ve seen doing the rounds today is actually from a few years ago.

Particularly Twitter under Musks ownership, I’d be wary of anything on social media if you don’t already know and trust the source.
 
MCFC ISRAEL said:
Oh wow.
If you want I have hundreds of videos to send you about the murder of innocent citizens, executions, hundreds of bodies on the streets in Israel of children women and old people. Or is your humanity and love of people limited to only one side here? And just so you know, the Israeli army notifies the Palestinians hours before it demolishes any building to evacuate innocents. If we wanted to just kill them we could do it in 5 minutes. We are at war and still trying to avoid harming innocents
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Did I say that?
 
MCFC ISRAEL said:
Oh wow.
If you want I have hundreds of videos to send you about the murder of innocent citizens, executions, hundreds of bodies on the streets in Israel of children women and old people. Or is your humanity and love of people limited to only one side here? And just so you know, the Israeli army notifies the Palestinians hours before it demolishes any building to evacuate innocents. If we wanted to just kill them we could do it in 5 minutes. We are at war and still trying to avoid harming innocents
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I feel your pain brother, but im not sure he was supporting a side rather than witnessing a horror which those who don't know will never know , maybe take a step back for a little while , shalom
 
MCFC ISRAEL said:
Oh wow.
If you want I have hundreds of videos to send you about the murder of innocent citizens, executions, hundreds of bodies on the streets in Israel of children women and old people. Or is your humanity and love of people limited to only one side here? And just so you know, the Israeli army notifies the Palestinians hours before it demolishes any building to evacuate innocents. If we wanted to just kill them we could do it in 5 minutes. We are at war and still trying to avoid harming innocents
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I suppose you give the children notice when they were using catapults and the Israeli forces murdered them. I can also post hundreds of videos too on War crimes committed by Israel. You know just too even it up.
 
Anyone any clue on what Hamas are hoping to achieve? It's almost like some bizarre self-destruct button has been pressed.
 
MCFC ISRAEL said:
In 1948, after 6 million Jews were murdered in the Holocaust, the United Nations decided to establish a state for the Jews, the State of Israel, alongside the Palestinians who live here. Now if you claim that there was a Palestinian state here before Israel , tell me who was the first Palestinian president, what currency did they use, what Was it its capital city? Now that we both agree there was no Palestine state here , Israel agreed to the proposal - which was accepted by a UN vote by an overwhelming majority. And then arabs countries started a war on Israel , a country that had not even been established yet, without an organized army. And we won. So what are we supposed to do? Give them back the settlements we conquered after they murdered thousands of us and wanted to conquer the small country UN gave us? And over the years there were several more such wars, with a large number of Arab countries that wanted to destroy Israel and we won every one of them.

I already explained in my previous post why exactly it is impossible to give a state to the Palestinians and here is an example of what happened today. But the most ridiculous thing is that, despite everything, people, who don't really know the facts, criticize Israel and think that we are the bad side here. To be honest? I don't care what people like you think anymore.

I saw with my own eyes people dying in the streets after they were executed. For me, the whole world can hate Israel. We are at war we didn't want, need to protect our homeland and we will do exactly what your countries would do in a similar case, probably even less.
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you know what I’m not even going to get into his with you. Stay safe though .
 
MCFC ISRAEL said:
In 1948, after 6 million Jews were murdered in the Holocaust, the United Nations decided to establish a state for the Jews, the State of Israel, alongside the Palestinians who live here. Now if you claim that there was a Palestinian state here before Israel , tell me who was the first Palestinian president, what currency did they use, what Was it its capital city? Now that we both agree there was no Palestine state here , Israel agreed to the proposal - which was accepted by a UN vote by an overwhelming majority. And then arabs countries started a war on Israel , a country that had not even been established yet, without an organized army. And we won. So what are we supposed to do? Give them back the settlements we conquered after they murdered thousands of us and wanted to conquer the small country UN gave us? And over the years there were several more such wars, with a large number of Arab countries that wanted to destroy Israel and we won every one of them.

I already explained in my previous post why exactly it is impossible to give a state to the Palestinians and here is an example of what happened today. But the most ridiculous thing is that, despite everything, people, who don't really know the facts, criticize Israel and think that we are the bad side here. To be honest? I don't care what people like you think anymore.

I saw with my own eyes people dying in the streets after they were executed. For me, the whole world can hate Israel. We are at war we didn't want, need to protect our homeland and we will do exactly what your countries would do in a similar case, probably even less.
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Can you stop with the propaganda, we all know there is evidence both sides have committed atrocities historically, however we also know Israels response to this will certainly involve the deaths of hundreds if not thousands of civilians who had no say in what happened today and yesterday. Until either side grows the fuck up and stops the endless whatabouterry this never stops.
 
1961_vintage said:
Anyone any clue on what Hamas are hoping to achieve? It's almost like some bizarre self-destruct button has been pressed.
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Extermination of every Jewish citizen and the eradication of the State of Israel.
 
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