Middle East Conflict | Netanyahu orders strikes on Gaza (p1161)

Just seen a clip where there’s 2 kids are in absolute shit-state and think how it would feel if it was my kids or grandkids. How many Hamas have Israel actually killed, to cause this violence to the innocent?

Hamas need taking out for this but being the shit-bags that they are, they’ll be hiding in the shadows and if the IDF get close, laydown their arms and disappear into the crowd.

As for Qatar, who the fuck would trust a country that actively supports and hides terrorist groups. Oh, that’s it, anybody who wants a backhander, individual or state.
 
metalblue said:
The violence started in the civil war of 1947/8 prior to the 1948 Israel Arab war.

It’s possible it could have fizzled out in the civil war and there were plenty of moderates on both sides. It’s correct to say that Israel was attacked by hostile Arab states under the banner of the Arab league and initially Israel suffered a few defeats before they could arm themselves effectively. The irony is I don’t think Palestine Arabs had much of a dog in this fight as they didn’t have any regular units.
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Trying to sum up today's thread to and fro, this seems to be a common theme.

The violence obviously started before 1947.

The Arab opposition to Jewish immigration was for various reasons (and divisive within the Arab community). I can't pin down a specific quote for Arabs thinking that if they allowed a Jewish state on the UN boundaries then at some stage in the future that state might be governed by someone who wanted even more territory, but the reasons for opposition were multifarious, from simply "this is our land, we don't recognise Britain or the UN's right to gift it to someone else" to left-wing Arab youth nationalists who were against imperialism (and the Young Men's Muslim Association had Christian members). There were other splits (e.g. between those who trusted the British and those who had it right and didn't) - see the Muslim Congress in December 1931 (I've got a lengthy article but it's behind an academic paywall).

Can anyone give a good reason why an Arab Palestinian in the 1920s / 1930s would welcome the creation of a Jewish state in Palestine?
 
Just when you thought the depressing reports from the Israel/Gaza couldn't get any worse, along comes the BBC's Fergal Keane. He always looks so miserable and depressed while delivering his report in a funerial tone.
 
Fiftyyearsandcounting said:
Just when you thought the depressing reports from the Israel/Gaza couldn't get any worse, along comes the BBC's Fergal Keane. He always looks so miserable and depressed while delivering his report in a funerial tone.
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Well, there's always satire on Israeli TV...
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
I've commented on this sect and their views before. Here: https://forums.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk/threads/israel-palestine-conflict.334241/page-341

The TL:DR version is that they're an extremist sect who believe only god can gift Israel back to the Jews, which he will do when the Messiah comes. But even then, it will only be true believers like them who'll be allowed to live there.

Everyone else - you, me, everyone else on this forum - god will destroy. And that includes the Palestinians of course.
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I read your original
Post again and was unaware that this is whom you are talking about.

I’ll investigate more for sure, but on first evidence I can see that what you say they believe may be true, but I don’t initially get the same intimidation from it that you do.

As I said, I’m not religious. I don’t know if you are or not. But the impression I get from his belief in the bible is that he feels what is going on is unjust and only god would have the power to do what you suggest.

Fair enough I say. If you are going to wait for the second coming of the Messiah and you’re willing to do so peacefully, then whether you believe the rest of us are damned or not, doesn’t upset me.

I will delve more into their motives PB and I will happily take direction from within this thread but I will not take anything I read in here from either side of the argument as fact until I can satisfy myself it is so beyond reasonable doubt.

That goes for all. Not just yourself.

Whether you are correct or not, I actually find his reasoning regarding his view of the land and what is going on quite logical.
 
Don Karleone said:


More "comedy" from the good guys.
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I personally won't overreact to individual Israelis taking out their frustrations at the murder of their brethren by making tik toks.

That's a better outlet. I've seen the videos of Palestinian school kid plays where they playact killing Israelis and celebrating....
 
west didsblue said:
Just goes to show every country has its share of cunts.
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Dax777 said:
I personally won't overreact to individual Israelis taking out their frustrations at the murder of their brethren by making tik toks.

That's a better outlet. I've seen the videos of Palestinian school kid plays where they playact killing Israelis and celebrating....
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Fair points
 
The revolution will not be televised (at least not on any channels the masses watch)

What a world we live in when the subplot has been more repetitive than a corrie episode; one day, hopefully in the not so distant future, we’ll have a world where these evil narratives can be accepted by the perpetual fence sitters, until then, the mistakes of yesteryear will always be reset!!
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
You could equally ask why don't all Muslims live in Saudi Arabia.

Israel is a fact on the ground. It exists as a recognised, independent nation, with a seat at the UN. Get over it.

Had Arab armies not attacked the newly formed state in 1948 to attempt to wipe it out, almost certainly none of this would be a problem. Had President Nasser not been such a dickhead in 1967, almost certainly none of this would have been a problem. There seems to be a little group on this thread that can't get this through their thick skulls.
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All fault of the Arabs right ? Would the Arab armies attack Israel if the Zionist militias were not intend on cleansing Palestinian villages like the Deir Yassin massacre ?
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
Yes to both. Is that really so hard to understand?
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Genuine question, as I don't have a horse in this race at all. Do you think the Israelis would have stayed within their borders if they hadn't been attacked and gained land by "conquest"? Or is it just as likely that settlements would have expanded outside their borders and we would still be in the same mess?
 
halfcenturyup said:
Genuine question, as I don't have a horse in this race at all. Do you think the Israelis would have stayed within their borders if they hadn't been attacked and gained land by "conquest"? Or is it just as likely that settlements would have expanded outside their borders and we would still be in the same mess?
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That's the million pound question isn't it. You could ask the same about the Arab side. I suppose the likelihood is that extreme factions on both sides would have pushed for expansion.
 

Prestwich_Blue said:
That's the million pound question isn't it. You could ask the same about the Arab side. I suppose the likelihood is that extreme factions on both sides would have pushed for expansion.
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I guess. I suppose, in retrospect, and without opening up the debate about whether it was right or not, it was always going to be a big fucking mess at some point and in one way or another, the human condition being what it is.
 
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