Middle East Conflict | Netanyahu orders strikes on Gaza (p1161)

Mr Kobayashi said:
Yes, I'm saying that a small country would never be allowed to drag the world into a nuclear war. They have no right to do so. So they would be neutralised by the superpower.

If the choice is nuclear war or them ceasing to be a Jewish country anymore, they cease to be a Jewish country.

At the current rate Israel is going it's a single secular state or collapse, attrocities commited against them and expulsion. Make peace embrace one of the solutions on the table or follow the path of destruction.
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Pure fantasy.
If israel is likely to cease to exist then every state around them would likely cease to exist as well. Probably triggering enhilation for the rest if us as well.
 
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Berts Neck said:
Hmm. Let us start with the USA,EU,GB, Russia..my word what are you talking about ?? Have you been hibernating for the last 50 years ?? Afghanistan,Iraq,Isis,Syria to name but a few. Can you explain who was fighting the extremsits in those countires please ?? We even fight them in our own countries.
Unfortunately posters like yourself are very adept at making disparaging remarks, with no positive attempts to think about a way forward. You simply make broad meaningless comments,but perhaps say something positive for once and do not knock people for actually thinking how to stop this situation.
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We tried it once. In 1946-48 and our troops kept getting killed by both sides. After the destruction of the King David Hotel in 1946 by Irgin jewish terrorists.
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In the aftermath we wanted out - and setup to leave in 1948.
I doubt we or anyone else would get involved again as it would only mean some of our soldiers returning in body bags.
Israel wouldn't accept Russians or probably any non-democratic nation forces either.
 
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I can't imagine for one moment that a one-state solution is acceptable to either party, so it's a two-state solution, I guess. Many problems, the two most obvious being removing settlements and disarming Hamas, Hezbollah and the rest. Needs a strong US and a US that is willing to negotiate with Iran, imo. Unfortunately, the US isn't going to be strong or brave for a long time, by the look of it.
 
inbetween said:
How many Muslim countries live as secular states? Not a single one of them. All Muslim countries abide by Islamic law and for many of those countries there is no freedom of religion. Just for example atheists in Saudi Arabia are classed as terrorists and anyone who is not Sunni is essentially a second class citizen.
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Your exact words and you were told that many Muslim Countries are secular states, and now you are going around the houses, I’m not even arguing with you on the rest of your post, just the simple fact that you are building your case on facts that are wrong, it’s like debating with a fucking pidgeon
 
Ducado said:
Your exact words and you were told that many Muslim Countries are secular states, and now you are going around the houses, I’m not even arguing with you on the rest of your post, just the simple fact that you are building your case on facts that are wrong, it’s like debating with a fucking pidgeon
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Walter?
 
BlueAnorak said:
I see the Hamas leader walked out of an interview with the BBC in Qatar when asked about murdering Israeli citizenns.
Anyone who thinks Hamas are possible to deal with gas lost touch with reality.
Hamas are dedicated to Jihad and the genocide of Isreali Jews.
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Hamas's 2017 policy statement hasn't abrogated the 1988 charter but it was not advocating genocide. Their proposal was an Islamic country in which Muslims, Jews and Christians would live free to practice their faith (so probably more liberal than Saudi Arabia). It might be wildly unrealistic (and rejects a two-state solution) but it's better than advocating genocide.

While they're not admitting the atrocities of October 7th, some of the leaders seem to want to be distanced from it. Small comfort, I know, but maybe also a small glimmer of hope in what looks hopeless. Maybe.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/hamas...official-who-urged-murder-of-jews-everywhere/
 
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Mr Kobayashi said:
Yes, I'm saying that a small country would never be allowed to drag the world into a nuclear war. They have no right to do so. So they would be neutralised by the superpower.

If the choice is nuclear war or them ceasing to be a Jewish country anymore, they cease to be a Jewish country.

At the current rate Israel is going it's a single secular state or collapse, attrocities commited against them and expulsion. Make peace embrace one of the solutions on the table or follow the path of destruction.
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You really think the usa would allow that to happen?
 
BringBackSwales said:
You really think the usa would allow that to happen?
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I said superpower of the day. So I've not made the assumption that it would be the USA.

But yes I do. Why would they back an Israel that were untrustworthy and threatening Nuclear war?

Even if Oil and natural gas are replaced, you don't get to fuck around with jeopardising the world's main shipping route and get away with it.

A weak Israel is not something that the USA desires, but they aren't going to come to the rescue of a weak Israel.Not when it requires starting nuclear war or getting involved in a long conflict in the middle east.
 
Israeli news conference presented evidence that Hamas command and control centres and major entrances to the "Gaza Metro" tunnel systems are situated beneath hospitals - with pretty good evidence to back it up.
Hardly surprising.
Hamas doesn't care a jot for Palestinians.
 
BlueAnorak said:
Israeli news conference presented evidence that Hamas command and control centres and major entrances to the "Gaza Metro" tunnel systems are situated beneath hospitals - with pretty good evidence to back it up.
Hardly surprising.
Hamas doesn't care a jot for Palestinians.
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Are they the Palestinians you call collateral damage?

Ps Everyone knows Hamas are terrorist scum
 
Vic said:
Hamas's 2017 policy statement hasn't abrogated the 1988 charter but it was not advocating genocide. Their proposal was an Islamic country in which Muslims, Jews and Christians would live free to practice their faith (so probably more liberal than Saudi Arabia). It might be wildly unrealistic (and rejects a two-state solution) but it's better than advocating genocide.

While they're not admitting the atrocities of October 7th, some of the leaders seem to want to be distanced from it. Small comfort, I know, but maybe also a small glimmer of hope in what looks hopeless. Maybe.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/hamas...official-who-urged-murder-of-jews-everywhere/
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Give over.
Everything they believe in advocates that Jewiah genocide is exactly their end game.
Who do you think lives between the river and the sea? The vast majority of Israel's 7.125m Jewish population that's who.
 
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mexico1970 said:
I can't believe anyone would believe in all honesty and sincerity that a single state solution between Jews and Palestinians would be anything other than a bloodbath.

From what I have read on here the only solution would be to move Israel somewhere else, it's a nightmare.
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It's the only way to avoid a bloodbath.

Palestinians do not come from a militant culture.

Palestinian culture is traditionally rural and they share many of the values of Jews, the importance of family life, religious observance and generosity within their community.

Jews are not traditionally a militant culture either. Israeli militancy is a product of the Holocaust and Zionism.

But that militancy means that Jews around the world with no connection to Israel are more likely to encounter violence and discrimination.

And that simply isn't fair. The solution is to end apartheid.
 
inbetween said:
My point is that people are trying to disassemble Israel into a secular state to solve the problem. But you are not solving the problem, you are creating something that nobody wants and telling both to stop killing each other and to just live with it.

The Palestinians want their own Islamic state, they do not want a secular state. Jewish people want their own Jewish state, they do not want a secular state.

What actually has this got to do with Israel? Do you think that Jewish people want to see Israel become a secular state? Of course they don't, they have a right to self-determination and a single secular state removes that right. Israel exists because of that and it will continue to exist.

I mention other Muslim states because they have their own right to self-determination however some on here are more inclined to protect that. Since when did anyone call for the reorganisation of Iran or Saudi Arabia to house Jewish people, the mere suggestion would actually be blasphemy in those countries! It's just ironic really.
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Do Palestinians want an Islamic state? Including the Christians?

Do Jewish people want a secular state? I always thought it was founded as a secular state. Half the Jews in Israel are "hiloni" (secular) and not observant (maybe great festivals). Can you be a Jewish theocratic state and be a democracy?

Or by Jewish state do you mean a country only for Jews?
 
BlueAnorak said:
Israeli news conference presented evidence that Hamas command and control centres and major entrances to the "Gaza Metro" tunnel systems are situated beneath hospitals - with pretty good evidence to back it up.
Hardly surprising.
Hamas doesn't care a jot for Palestinians.
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I thought they also presented evidence that they didn't bomb the hospital...so now Hamas bombed their own control and command centre??
 
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