Middle East Conflict | Netanyahu orders strikes on Gaza (p1161)

[BlueAnorak]

Thanks. Your info might well be right but a lot of people are saying it was a sad mistake. It would t have happened without Hamas attacking regardless of who fired the deadly shots or missiles

That maybe the case.
But it is one aspect of the social media war that real videos are being reused to suit narratives.

 

[BlueAnorak]

There are enough videos out their that have at least some element of trueth to wonder why there are so many fakes.
It's the same in Ukraine - The provinance of the publisher counts in the cess pit of social media.

 

[Postman Pep]

Do you ever stop to think about the shite you post. Ali Abuminah is the director of electronicintifada.net, a well-known Palestinian propaganda site.

Do you not think for one moment he may have an interest in muddying the waters?

You could always offer some thoughts on the source of these witness statements .... or you could continue to flail around and smear the people sharing it. Talk about muddying the waters.

 

[trueblue1972]

To be fair it’s from both sides, nothing can be trusted on Twitter or X, people should be cautious before sharing let’s not forget the poppy seller!

Indeed I refrain from posting so much information as I've no idea what is true and what isn't, I havs a video of a huge amount of rocket launchers found underneath a mosque , I won't post any of it .
Some people just post any old shit

 

[Ducado]

Can we have a moratorium on posting stuff from X it’s not a reliable source of information, or at least try and fact check the information

Words and pictures have power!

 

[west didsblue]

Do you ever stop to think about the shite you post. Ali Abuminah is the director of electronicintifada.net, a well-known Palestinian propaganda site.

Do you not think for one moment he may have an interest in muddying the waters?

And Mondoweiss is another well known Palestinian propaganda site.

Seems some Palestinian propaganda outlets are in full flow making up stories that Hamas didn’t killed hardly anyone and it was the IDF that did it all. It’s the same MO as Holocaust denial whereby they hope that if there’s enough made up stories from imaginary or anonymous sources it will get some traction.

 

[Millwallawayveteran1988]

I can see a fair amount of reprisal against Yemen coming at some point.

 

[Postman Pep]

And Mondoweiss is another well known Palestinian propaganda site.

Seems some Palestinian propaganda outlets are in full flow making up stories that Hamas didn’t killed hardly anyone and it was the IDF that did it all. It’s the same MO as Holocaust denial whereby they hope that if there’s enough made up stories from imaginary or anonymous sources it will get some traction.

Aside from it linking to a Haaretz article and an interview on Israeli state radio?

 

[BlueAnorak]

I mean there are well documented atrocities committed by Hamas, or at the very least enabled by their 'military operation ', but there is also plenty of testimonies by surviving hostages and IDF personnel to suggest that the full picture of what happened on that day will not become clear for a good while yet.

Pro Palestinian reporters report Pro Palestinian articles. Who knew?
I'm rather amused at current efforts to hide Hamas mass murder in a torrent of muddy water.

 

[Postman Pep]

Pro Palestinian reporters report Pro Palestinian articles. Who knew?
I'm rather ambushed at current efforts to hide Hamas mass murder.

Not really. Witness testimonies reported in the Israeli media ..... not sure it can be fact checked via OSINT 'volunteers '.

 

[west didsblue]

Aside from it linking to a Haaretz article and an interview on Israeli state radio?

The Haaretz article talks about Hamas killing nearly everyone on an IDF base and air support being requested. Whilst there may have been the occasional friendly fire casualty, these propaganda outlets are trying to minimise what Hamas did and blow out of all proportion any friendly fire incidents, and the tone of your comment suggest you’re only too willing to believe every word.

 

[Roachy]

The Haaretz article talks about Hamas killing nearly everyone on an IDF base and air support being requested. Whilst there may have been the occasional friendly fire casualty, these propaganda outlets are trying to minimise what Hamas did and blow out of all proportion any friendly fire incidents, and the tone of your comment suggest you’re only too willing to believe every word.

There'll be a few others lapping it up as well.

 

[Ducado]

I know I am talking into the void here however here goes, we all see the world differently we live in our own world and whatever position you take your mind will try and prove it, as Robert Anton Wilson said in the great book Prometheus Rising, “What the Thinker thinks, the Prover proves.” in your own little world you are right and your prover will work flat out to prove it

But what is you took more nuanced view? What if you could really see it from both sides?

 

[Ducado]

I can see a fair amount of reprisal against Yemen coming at some point.

Again that is exactly what they want, they will say Israel is working with the gulf nations

 

[Vic]

And Mondoweiss is another well known Palestinian propaganda site.

Seems some Palestinian propaganda outlets are in full flow making up stories that Hamas didn’t killed hardly anyone and it was the IDF that did it all. It’s the same MO as Holocaust denial whereby they hope that if there’s enough made up stories from imaginary or anonymous sources it will get some traction.

Mondoweiss? Palestinian? Its owners are Jewish.

 

[west didsblue]

Mondoweiss? Palestinian? Its owners are Jewish.

Doesn’t stop it propagating Palestinian propaganda which was the intent of the sentence I wrote, rather than suggesting it was a Palestinian website.

 

[trueblue1972]

Mondoweiss? Palestinian? Its owners are Jewish.

Mondoweiss founder Philip Weiss has used the site to promote hatred of Israel and spread anti-Semitism since 2006.

 

[BayernMan]

Sobering hearing it from a congressman.

 

[Postman Pep]

The Haaretz article talks about Hamas killing nearly everyone on an IDF base and air support being requested. Whilst there may have been the occasional friendly fire casualty, these propaganda outlets are trying to minimise what Hamas did and blow out of all proportion any friendly fire incidents, and the tone of your comment suggest you’re only too willing to believe every word.

So there was plenty of 'friendly fire'. Given that you are partial to a quibble over death totals because of the governing authority surely you take my point that th full picture of what happened is at least unclear?

 

[west didsblue]

So there was plenty of 'friendly fire'. Given that you are partial to a quibble over death totals because of the governing authority surely you take my point that th full picture of what happened is at least unclear?

Every last detail is not yet known but it’s more than clear in broad terms what happened. You give away your apologism for Hamas when you say things like “atrocities committed by Hamas, or at the very least enabled by their 'military operation '” which suggests you’re giving them a get out by referring to it as a military operation and suggesting that the Israeli deaths were only “enabled” by them rather than perpetrated by them.
And there is insufficient evidence of “plenty” of friendly fire, just two or three incidents out of 1400 murders. I’m not going to post the link because it’s quite gruesome but there is a website containing raw footage from numerous cameras (dashcams, rescue workers body cams etc) that shows the scale of the Hamas atrocity where it’s impossible to come to any different conclusion that a massacre took place and it was perpetrated by Hamas. Any other narrative is just denial of reality.