Middle East Conflict | Netanyahu orders strikes on Gaza (p1161)

argyle said:
Russia invaded Ukraine on a false premise without provacation or justification.

Isreal entered Gaza because a terrorist network based there attacked and kidknapped civilians and took them back to Gaza.

I don't agree with blanket bombing and having no care for innocent people, but there is a big difference between the two.
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Fair enough.

I will have to look up in IHL the section where war crimes aren't war crimes if you think you have been hard done by.
 
argyle said:
Russia invaded Ukraine on a false premise without provacation or justification.

Isreal entered Gaza because a terrorist network based there attacked and kidknapped civilians and took them back to Gaza.

I don't agree with blanket bombing and having no care for innocent people, but there is a big difference between the two.
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Another one with 'City started in 2008 syndrome'.
 
argyle said:
Some weren't directing their anger at the Israeli state but Jewish people in general.

One lady had the Star of David with the Nazi insignia. Two wore Hamas headbands.

A minority of the marchers but we can't ignore them.

Edit: if you're on twitter the Metropolitan Police have a substantial thread asking for information on hate crimes from the march.
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Ah so that’s how the insignia being perceived.

Earlier I actually thought if the Raelianism symbol is not allowed. Raelian symbol is accepted beyond the Raelian religion, notably in the past the symbol is to promote LGBT. And the Raelianism is itself headquartered in Jerusalem.

On the Hamas headbands, those are not Hamas motifs. Hamas motifs says Ketaeb Al Qassam. The motif worn on the protest is more of Saudi Arabia flag, or in general, an Arabic phrase for muslims.
 
halfcenturyup said:
Fair enough.

I will have to look up in IHL the section where war crimes aren't war crimes if you think you have been hard done by.
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You're reading into things that I haven't said. It's why it's almost impossible to have a discussion on this subject.
 
argyle said:
Eh?

I'm not taking any side and you shouldn't either.

I was replying that the two conflicts are not the same.
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You were implying that both conflicts started in a vacuum. Hence my no history comment.

You also say Israel has the right to break international law because of the Hamas attack.
By that logic Hamas had the right to commit war crimes due to what Israel does to Palestinians on a daily basis.
 
argyle said:
You're reading into things that I haven't said. It's why it's almost impossible to have a discussion on this subject.
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Sorry if I misunderstood, not looking for an argument, but you did say "Probably because they're not comparable with different historical, as well as recent, context" when the different approach to war crimes between Russia and Israel were being considered.

Wasn't trying to be snarky (in fact, I withdraw my snarkiness with apologies), but I don't see any difference, irrespective of context. A war crime is a war crime.
 
robbieh said:
You were implying that both conflicts started in a vacuum. Hence my no history comment.

You also say Israel has the right to break international law because of the Hamas attack.
By that logic Hamas had the right to commit war crimes due to what Israel does to Palestinians on a daily basis.
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I said they had different historical and recent context, that is all.
 
A question I have asked before but never got an answer. Are US weapons manufacturers protected from a class action suit in the case that US made weapons are used to commit war crimes? In the current case, by the families of Palestinians who died as a result of what the UN would classify as war crimes.

Thinking about the legal culpability of the tobacco industry, or the gun manufacturers, but unsure how the national interest argument would affect their situation?
 
robbieh said:
So I imagine waving a Palestinian flag is not a criminal offence.
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No it isn't. Braverman has suggested it could be - an example of all of them making imaginary laws up on the hoof ( see below) . The reason they wouldn't is because if they did in order for it to be an equitable non-discriminatory law the same would have to apply to an Israeli flag flown in a Palestinian area or the cross of St George displayed in an Irish, Scottish or Welsh area.
Of course for all that to happen they would then have to prove that the display of a flag is a precursor to some sort of terrorist support. I mean in a world cup or euros a parent could have those flags attached to the windows of the car as they drive kids to a mates house but are driving through the "wrong " area - which brings me on to areas - how in law are they defined? Are the Govt prepared to "ghettoise" groups of people to try and establish some bullshit law?
As you can see - the thing that is not understood by the "just arrest and deport them" brigade - in a democracy that operates under the rule of law you have to define things in law first - and sometimes what you propose is incompatible with UK law as we will hopefully find out later this week.

news.sky.com

Waving a Palestinian flag on British streets 'may not be legitimate', Suella Braverman warns

Suella Braverman said unrest in the Middle East has previously been used "as a pretext to stir up hatred against British Jews" - and there is an "obvious risk this pattern will be repeated during the current conflict".
news.sky.com news.sky.com
 
So that's Robert Webb top left, Joe Royal top right, and Harry Hill bottom right. Anyone got one for bottom left?

 
argyle said:
So that's Robert Webb top left, Joe Royal top right, and Harry Hill bottom right. Anyone got one for bottom left?

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I am glad this lot are being sought by Police - absolute low life. I hope if the are arrested and convicted AFC take some action against them - at least the one in their colours.
 
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