Middle East Conflict

inchy14 said:
Someone said that all terrorists should be executed so I asked did that include Mandela.. then this debate just went on and on.

My point is that old chestnut

‘ one man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter ‘

We might not agree on it but it’s a fact of life.
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Well yes, hard to think of a better illustration that the fact that during his election campaign, the future (now former) Israeli PM Ehud Barak was famously asked what he’d be doing now if he was born Palestinian, and he said he’d be fighting for Hamas or another terror group.
 
inchy14 said:
Someone said that all terrorists should be executed so I asked did that include Mandela.. then this debate just went on and on.

My point is that old chestnut

‘ one man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter ‘

We might not agree on it but it’s a fact of life.
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I cant remember her name but an ex CIA analyst said it well. Everyone who fights in a terror cell or insurgency see themselves as the good guys fighting evil. in movie terms they all see themselves like Luke skywalker fighting the evil empire.

rightly or wrongly thats the truth of it. and you dont defeat that mentality with force ( unless you happen to wipe them all out entirely ), its generations of compassion and education to fix that issue.
 
Username Required said:
Perhaps AIPAC should pivot and work on this issue and bingo, full house. It's interesting that the U.S. backs Israel to the nth degree when it comes to her borders, but what is the U.S. doing to secure their own? Physician, heal thyself.
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We don’t know what’s going on behind the scenes though, but Israel appears to be gripped by a collective desire for vengeance, and no one knows what the end game is, Israel needs its friends to tell them enough is enough, you can see the tone of statements has changed
 
Ducado said:
We don’t know what’s going on behind the scenes though, but Israel appears to be gripped by a collective desire for vengeance, and no one knows what the end game is, Israel needs its friends to tell them enough is enough, you can see the tone of statements has changed
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Netanyahu's invocation of Amalek and 'children of darkness' has not helped.



www.hindustantimes.com

Netanyahu deletes 'children of darkness' post after Gaza hospital attacked

As hundreds died in the Gaza hospital attack including children, Netanyahu's ‘children of darkness’ tweet was deleted.
www.hindustantimes.com www.hindustantimes.com
 
Ducado said:
Talking about bad PR there have been some music videos of IDF soldiers dancing with Israeli flags amid the rubble of Gaza, it’s gone out across the world not a good look
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They have covered a beach in flags too and drawn a giant one in dirt using a bulldoser in a Gazan neighbourhood. Looks more like conquest everyday.
 
domalino said:
Well yes, hard to think of a better illustration that the fact that during his election campaign, the future (now former) Israeli PM Ehud Barak was famously asked what he’d be doing now if he was born Palestinian, and he said he’d be fighting for Hamas or another terror group.
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This conflict has really brought home to me how lucky I am to be born in the UK ( shit governments aside), and has made me reflect on how I’d react if I was born in a place like Palestine etc.
 
Johnny Mars Bar said:
Can I just be controversial here and say there’s absolutely nothing wrong with executing terrorists.

Providing the bar is extremely high for conviction and they’ve had a fair trial etc.

I know being against terrorism is a wild viewpoint to some people in this thread and on the far left.
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Well, I suppose a high bar for conviction in a trial before execution is an improvement on just shooting children in the street.

www.hrw.org

West Bank: Spike in Israeli Killings of Palestinian Children

The Israeli military and border police forces are killing Palestinian children with virtually no recourse for accountability.
www.hrw.org www.hrw.org
 
inchy14 said:
You’d be happy for Mandela to have been executed?
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And some of Israel's prime ministers?

inbetween said:
It's just my point that you've chosen to attack Israel and single it out as needing saving, but why? I don't agree with the death penalty but if Israel imposed it for terrorists then is that really a problem? I doubt they'll be missed and those terrorists certainly had no problem executing Israelis, they're doing it to this day and people on here stop just short of defending it.

I'd understand your point if Israel chose to for example execute gay people as they do in virtually most of the countries neighbouring Israel but that isn't the case, this is about terrorists. Ironically people on here seem to defend those countries and their right to enact Islamic religious brutality, however with Israel it's just always different isn't it?

This thread is getting pretty boring to be honest, most of it now has nothing to do with the conflict. We may as well just call it the Israel bashing thread. It's getting a bit like the Tory one where people regurgitate endless crap about the Tories and any actual debate to the contrary is shutdown.
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Yeah, children being killed must get boring.
 
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domalino said:
Nelson Mandela was undoubtedly classed as a terrorist when he was a leader in the ANC, which was categorised as a terrorist organisation by the South African government as well as the US and UK government.

leaders in officially designated terrorist groups are called...terrorists.

He wasn't convicted of terror offences, but from what I read no one said he was. There are plenty of Hamas leaders in Qatar who are definitely terrorists and haven't been convicted of being a terrorist.

Now Emmeline Pankhurst? She was both a terrorist and convicted for carrying out a terrorist attack.


What was the point of all this anyway?
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To show that the terrorism designation is an arbitrary political designation based not on your actions but on your political stance and affiliation.
It's a stick the West uses to beat and tarnish its opponents with.
It doesn't mean a thing.
 
The claims Israel make effectively mark this out as a crime scene. You don't move guns and other things around the location to bolster your case thats contaminating evidence and is not helping make your case

 


I meant to post that Israel is saying 1.200 rather than 1,400 of its citizens were killed on 7 October. RIP.

The discrepancy was due to burnt bodies being unrecognisable.
 
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St.Pauli support said:
You know Israel could never go back to that for their security issues.
Jerusalem would be unsolved.
Gaza and West banks were unconnected.

We have no whatsoever idea of a 2-state solution.
We need a new idea.
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Of course we do..the obvious is one of a one state solution with equal rights for Palestinians but just now this seems unpalatable/impossible to both sides,but in time ?? In many ways Israel is regarded as part of the West and is supported by the West. So perhaps the US, Europe should encourage a democratic process ?? And I say that through gritted teeth as I do feel many of the political issues in the last 100 years were created by the West in the first place.
 
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