Middle East Conflict | Netanyahu orders strikes on Gaza (p1161)

Blue Mist said:
Why, in your opinion, did the October attack take place ?

In my opinion, it wasn't the start nor the end of anything.
Two blood thirsty adversaries were at it long before October.
In the middle were innocent people.
If Hamas/Hezbollah is totally destroyed by this weekend, do you think Israel will stop ?
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With respect, I’m not going to get involved in that argument any longer.

I’ve stated my opinion and will leave it there.
 
BigJoe#1 said:
???

The last news bulletin I listened to on LBC (arounf 17:00ish said.... (not verbatim)

Israel has told Hamas that they will take over the whole of Gazza if the hostages are not returned. To avoid casualties people will be told to leave the area and the country will be flattened. They also went on to say they [Israel] would not give any commitment about withdrawing after they had taken over. Furthermore, it is thought the takeover would not likely to happen until after Trumps visit which is due in the next couple of weeks.

Someone then went on to discuss that they thought Israel were trying to use Trumps visit to the region as some kind of leverage in the discussion....

... no making things u on my part.
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the ceasefire which was agreed in January and which Israel broke in March included a plan to release all the hostages step by step. Israel didn't want that plan because it was supposed to lead to the Israeli army withdrawing and Gaza being rebuilt with the Palestinians in situ. Instead Israel wants to occupy the land, kill as many people as possible, keep the rest in concentration camps and gradually force as many as possible of them to leave. None of what I've said is an opinion, it's just basic facts at this point.
 
KPXBLN said:
the ceasefire which was agreed in January and which Israel broke in March included a plan to release all the hostages step by step. Israel didn't want that plan because it was supposed to lead to the Israeli army withdrawing and Gaza being rebuilt with the Palestinians in situ. Instead Israel wants to occupy the land, kill as many people as possible, keep the rest in concentration camps and gradually force as many as possible of them to leave. None of what I've said is an opinion, it's just basic facts at this point.
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Only saying what was reported on the news today about Israels future plans which does in part overlap with your commentary.

Israel did also say that they would unblock the food and water supply routes but they would not allow Hamas to be involved with distributing it.
 
Blue Mist said:
Why, in your opinion, did the October attack take place ?

In my opinion, it wasn't the start nor the end of anything.
Two blood thirsty adversaries were at it long before October.
In the middle were innocent people.
If Hamas/Hezbollah is totally destroyed by this weekend, do you think Israel will stop ?
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what we have to understand is that two major conflicts are being shaped for us by a press corps thats been infiltrated and being steered by bad actors to present a warped version of events. Ukraine started with the 2014 annexation of Crimea by Russia when that shit house Cameron did fuck all. For me the Zionist violence dates back to the Stern Gang in 1948 with things like the attack on the King David Hotel resulting in the death of British troops.

Russia has some bellends but most have no idea of the truth in the world - I feel sorry for the cannon fodder and those from NK following WW2 tactics and being fed into a shredder. Likewise I have no beef with Jewish people nor indeed Israeli's but its the Zionists and the nut jobs that are doing real harm to the country's reputation across the globe and the sooner moderate people recognise that the better for them.

What gets me is when you see the military smashing the fuck out of Orthodox Jews because their beliefs forbid them from doing National Service - fucking mad military bastards
 
BigJoe#1 said:
Only saying what was reported on the news today about Israels future plans which does in part overlap with your commentary.

Israel did also say that they would unblock the food and water supply routes but they would not allow Hamas to be involved with distributing it.
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Have you actually seen what’s gone on over there?

From a British point of view, I can’t see how anybody can defend what either side have done in this current conflict. However, how Israel have then gone out for pure blood and retribution, levelling the entire area and colluding with the Trump administration to turn it into the ‘Riviera’ is worse that evil.

Do you support ethnic cleansing?
 
bluethrunthru said:
what we have to understand is that two major conflicts are being shaped for us by a press corps thats been infiltrated and being steered by bad actors to present a warped version of events. Ukraine started with the 2014 annexation of Crimea by Russia when that shit house Cameron did fuck all. For me the Zionist violence dates back to the Stern Gang in 1948 with things like the attack on the King David Hotel resulting in the death of British troops.

Russia has some bellends but most have no idea of the truth in the world - I feel sorry for the cannon fodder and those from NK following WW2 tactics and being fed into a shredder. Likewise I have no beef with Jewish people nor indeed Israeli's but its the Zionists and the nut jobs that are doing real harm to the country's reputation across the globe and the sooner moderate people recognise that the better for them.

What gets me is when you see the military smashing the fuck out of Orthodox Jews because their beliefs forbid them from doing National Service - fucking mad military bastards
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If I could do gifs, I would do the one where they stand and applaud.
 
The Future’s Blue! said:
Have you actually seen what’s gone on over there?

From a British point of view, I can’t see how anybody can defend what either side have done in this current conflict. However, how Israel have then gone out for pure blood and retribution, levelling the entire area and colluding with the Trump administration to turn it into the ‘Riviera’ is worse that evil.

Do you support ethnic cleansing?
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The Future’s Blue! said:
Have you actually seen what’s gone on over there?
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No, never been there, but I believe it a centuries old war..
The Future’s Blue! said:
From a British point of view, I can’t see how anybody can defend what either side have done in this current conflict. However, how Israel have then gone out for pure blood and retribution, levelling the entire area and colluding with the Trump administration to turn it into the ‘Riviera’ is worse that evil.
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I certainly agree with your point about not defending either side. I'm not certain but I believe the Hamas massacre on the 7th October might have escalated the issue and inspired many Israeli's to want and seek further revenge and escalated the situation. Probably pointless but present
The Future’s Blue! said:
Do you support ethnic cleansing?
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No I certainly do not hence why I would like to see any gesture that might minimise the numbers being killed (on both sides) executed.
 
BigJoe#1 said:
No, never been there, but I believe it a centuries old war..


I certainly agree with your point about not defending either side. I'm not certain but I believe the Hamas massacre on the 7th October might have escalated the issue and inspired many Israeli's to want and seek further revenge and escalated the situation. Probably pointless but present

No I certainly do not hence why I would like to see any gesture that might minimise the numbers being killed (on both sides) executed.
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Sorry, gesture, minimise?

I won’t label all Israel with this but where is the minimise? For context, the majority of my life has been served in the Armed forces and we understand what we can do under the Geneva Convention and have regulations under the Law of Armed conflict.

What you are saying is that it’s legal to kill many innocents because you ‘believe’ that their may be a proponent there.

Absolute bollox! This is ethnic cleansing. Simple.

BTW, I know we have absolutely no say on this, but your choice does matter. Do you support what is happening, or not.
 
blueinsa said:
Israel 100% had the right to respond to the October attack and defend itself by going after Hamas and its enemies.

It has now clearly done that and is now busy wiping out a population at worst and leaving them with no home at best as they take Gaza with the obvious green light of America.

I would hope we at least come out and respond to this policy saying it’s not acceptable and vote accordingly in any UN vote although results will be ignored.

America has gone rogue and it’s allowed Netanyahu and his cronies to do the same.

Shameful stuff.
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Britain and Europe have been fully onboard with this genocide from day one to the point of supplying military equipment and providing political and diplomatic support.
To suggest we might vote against the Israelis now is a bit disingenuous.
 
Blue Mist said:
Why, in your opinion, did the October attack take place ?

In my opinion, it wasn't the start nor the end of anything.
Two blood thirsty adversaries were at it long before October.
In the middle were innocent people.
If Hamas/Hezbollah is totally destroyed by this weekend, do you think Israel will stop ?
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People who refused to accept what this was really always about are now trying to convince themselves they were right but have reasonably changed their minds.

Normal human behaviour, I suppose.
 
The Future’s Blue! said:
Sorry, gesture, minimise?
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I would support literally ANYTHING that will STOP the killing, but realism and expectation management - would you?
The Future’s Blue! said:
I won’t label all Israel with this but where is the minimise? For context, the majority of my life has been served in the Armed forces and we understand what we can do under the Geneva Convention and have regulations under the Law of Armed conflict.

What you are saying is that it’s legal to kill many innocents because you ‘believe’ that their may be a proponent there.
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Where do I ever say that? I, to many peoples (understandable) annoyance on here have always said Israel should and must stop the killing of Palestinian civilians.... If it takes the release of hostages to do that - then IMO this is what must happen. Do you think holding on to the hostages and the killings continuing is ok? Because I don't.
The Future’s Blue! said:
Absolute bollox! This is ethnic cleansing. Simple.

BTW, I know we have absolutely no say on this, but your choice does matter. Do you support what is happening, or not.
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I hope my answers above clarify my position on the killings but to be clear to you. NO! I do not support what is happening on either side!
 

Israeli TV producer’s call for Holocaust against Gaza​


www.presstv.ir

Israeli TV producer’s call for Holocaust against Gaza population sparks outrage

A recently unearthed social media post by Elad Barashi, an Israeli producer associated with Channel 14, has sparked public outrage and condemnation for advocating a Holocaust against Gaza’s 2.3 million residents.
www.presstv.ir www.presstv.ir

"In his lengthy post, Barashi made the claim that the entire population of Gaza “deserve death.”

“Men, women, and children — by any means necessary, we must simply carry out a Shoah [Holocaust] against them — yes, read that again — H-O-L-O-C-A-U-S-T!”

“Without fear, without weakness — just crush. Eliminate. Slaughter. Flatten. Dismantle. Smash. Shatter,” he added.

“Without conscience or pity — children and parents, women and girls — all of them are marked for a cruel and harsh death.”

Hopefully a Holocaust that slaughters every man, women and child, "by any means necessary", without fear, weakness or pity will ensure the safe return of the hostages
 
The Fat el Hombre said:

Israeli TV producer’s call for Holocaust against Gaza​


www.presstv.ir

Israeli TV producer’s call for Holocaust against Gaza population sparks outrage

A recently unearthed social media post by Elad Barashi, an Israeli producer associated with Channel 14, has sparked public outrage and condemnation for advocating a Holocaust against Gaza’s 2.3 million residents.
www.presstv.ir www.presstv.ir

"In his lengthy post, Barashi made the claim that the entire population of Gaza “deserve death.”

“Men, women, and children — by any means necessary, we must simply carry out a Shoah [Holocaust] against them — yes, read that again — H-O-L-O-C-A-U-S-T!”

“Without fear, without weakness — just crush. Eliminate. Slaughter. Flatten. Dismantle. Smash. Shatter,” he added.

“Without conscience or pity — children and parents, women and girls — all of them are marked for a cruel and harsh death.”

Hopefully a Holocaust that slaughters every man, women and child, "by any means necessary", without fear, weakness or pity will ensure the safe return of the hostages
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at any point now one of them will use the phrase "final solution"
 
stonerblue said:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m002bm1y

worth a watch.
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Thanks for the prompt as I’ve been meaning to watch this for a couple of weeks.

Hugely depressing viewing. Don’t think there was a single settler or proponent thereto that I remotely warmed to and this absolute fucking horeshit about what some **** might have written down thousands of years ago having any credence or relevance today is tedious and preposterous in equal measure.

Watching those deluded, horrible, entitled sociopathic cunts on there simply reinforced why humanity is completely fucked.
 
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