Middle East Conflict | Netanyahu orders strikes on Gaza (p1161)

Blue Mist said:
Radovan Karadzic is imprisoned within the UK for crimes against humanity and genocide.
This shows that the UK Government will act decisively when these disgraceful acts occur.
I wonder if David Lammy and the rest of the world's politicians will tell me what is different about that genocide and the one being committed in front of us right now.
I assume the answer is no one dare stand up to Israe
Gobshiight said:
People shy away from this question because it's used as an antisemitism trope. In reality, the majority of the world's richest and most powerful people are white Anglo-Saxon protestants

American (and its allies') foreign policy is the biggest evil on the planet
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Trumps due in UK tomorrow. No chance our govt will put its head above the parapet while he's here.
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johnny crossan said:
David Lammy has commented the 'evidence in the report does not meet the criteria for genocide as defined in the ICC.'
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Starmer of all people we could of elected as PM a former director of Public Prosecutions I expect the highest obedience to international law but he ignores the UN and tells us there is no genocide in Gaza.

Starmer and Lammy have ignored the ICC it has arrest warrants out for Netanyahu and Gallant
From the 8th October 2023 until at least 20th May 2024 Netanyahu and Gallant bear criminal responsibility "as co-perpetrators for committing the acts jointly with others”.

“For the war crime of starvation as a method of warfare; and the crimes against humanity of murder, persecution, and other inhumane acts and civilian superiors for the war crime of intentionally directing an attack against the civilian population”
 
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Gobshiight said:
You're right that Israel deliberately hides behind antisemitism, but that doesn't mean that the ultimate power behind this genocide is Jewish people

America can stop what's going on any time they want, and they will do so the minute it stops being a benefit to them in the region. It doesn't matter how many of its politicians are paid off by special interest groups
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Yeah, I’ve always railed against this “Jews run the world” line and still do because for me it’s nothing more than a conspiracy theory. As you say, as much as I despise him, Trump could stop this tomorrow and if he did I’d hand the Nobel Peace Prize to him myself.

My thinking is more along the lines of yours that many countries - certainly the more powerful ones - are too scared to genuinely call out Israel’s actions because of the Holocaust. A similar analogy would be Liverpool fans escaping serious criticism for any wrongdoings because of what happened at Hillsborough. Thing is, it’s entirely possible to have huge empathy for the victims of the Holocaust - Christ, I’ve visited 3 different concentration camps down the years and it’s utterly heartbreaking what happened - and Hillsborough, but also call out the actions of the Israeli government in Gaza (note to Netanyahu and others - criticism of Israeli government policy is not anti-Semitic and you fucking well know it you gaslighting twats) and Liverpool fans whenever they’re guilty of shitty behaviour.
 
west didsblue said:
It’s absolutely wrong to target live rounds at children.

It’s also wrong for those responsible for the children to put them in harms way.
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Where do you suggest they put them, out of harm's way? Last time I looked there weren't any places that meet that criteria. Maybe the kids are thinking, they are going to kill us all anyway, let's show them we will fight, even with stones or those terrible petrol bombs.

To even try to justify this genocide is extremely sad. There is no justification ever for soldiers to shoot children, even if they throw a molotov. We had riots here where people threw petrol bombs, do we start shooting them here too? If our cops can deal with men throwing them, why not the IDF.
 
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Magicpole said:
Where do you suggest they put them, out of harm's way? Last time I looked there weren't any. Maybe the kids are thinking, they are going to kill us all anyway, let's show them we will fight, even with stones or those terrible petrol bombs.

To even try to justify this genocide is extremely sad. There is no justification ever for soldiers to shoot children, even if they throw a molotov. We had riots here where peopke threw petrol bombs, do we start shooting them here too? If our cops can deal with men throwing them, why not the IDF?
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You’ve responded to a post I wrote seven years ago. Things have changed in case you hadn’t noticed.
 
west didsblue said:
You’ve responded to a post I wrote seven years ago. Things have changed in case you hadn’t noticed.
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I didn't notice it was a long ago post. What I said still applies to even then though. The world has made excuses for Israel for too long. And we are now in a place where ignoring or making excuses has led us to this. Add in Trump giving Naziyahoo a free hand and genocide is the result. It all starts though by allowing people to be routinely killed because they threw nasty stones.
 
M18CTID said:
Yeah, I’ve always railed against this “Jews run the world” line and still do because for me it’s nothing more than a conspiracy theory. As you say, as much as I despise him, Trump could stop this tomorrow and if he did I’d hand the Nobel Peace Prize to him myself.

My thinking is more along the lines of yours that many countries - certainly the more powerful ones - are too scared to genuinely call out Israel’s actions because of the Holocaust. A similar analogy would be Liverpool fans escaping serious criticism for any wrongdoings because of what happened at Hillsborough. Thing is, it’s entirely possible to have huge empathy for the victims of the Holocaust - Christ, I’ve visited 3 different concentration camps down the years and it’s utterly heartbreaking what happened - and Hillsborough, but also call out the actions of the Israeli government in Gaza (note to Netanyahu and others - criticism of Israeli government policy is not anti-Semitic and you fucking well know it you gaslighting twats) and Liverpool fans whenever they’re guilty of shitty behaviour.
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Until the last few months I was also of the opinion you hold but things are now so bad and not one country is doing anything I've changed my mind.
Spains answer to mass murder is to withdraw from a silly song contest.
The Uk's answer is to provide planes to help Israel to commit genocide.

'The West' stopped genocide in Serbia why can't they do it now ?
You say America could stop it tomorrow, is the rest of the world so impotent that one shit gibbon stops anybody doing anything ?
Thousands are being murdered. Children are dying from bullets, bombs and starvation because the Jews stop anyone from doing anything.
If I am wrong can someone explain why we are physically helping Israel to commit genocide ?
 
Blue Mist said:
Until the last few months I was also of the opinion you hold but things are now so bad and not one country is doing anything I've changed my mind.
Spains answer to mass murder is to withdraw from a silly song contest.
The Uk's answer is to provide planes to help Israel to commit genocide.

'The West' stopped genocide in Serbia why can't they do it now ?
You say America could stop it tomorrow, is the rest of the world so impotent that one shit gibbon stops anybody doing anything ?
Thousands are being murdered. Children are dying from bullets, bombs and starvation because the Jews stop anyone from doing anything.
If I am wrong can someone explain why we are physically helping Israel to commit genocide ?
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I don't think it's "the Jews" stopping action. It's the western "allies" that stops it imo. They have a very simplified version of good and evil.

I do think though that the Jewish people globally should be the loudest in protesting what Israel is doing. So I think they should be utterly ashamed.
 
Blue Mist said:
Any criticism of Israel is immediately and vociferously jumped on and you are called anti semitic but politicians are surely able to withstand that accusation.
In reality the silent power and the money that goes with that power is Jewish.
There can be no other explanation as to why governments will not stop this slaughter.
We acted when Yugoslavia fell apart and Muslims were being massacred so clearly it is not the fact that the Palestinians are Muslims.
We acted against 'white christian' leaders who were commiting this genocide and ethnic cleansing.
The only difference is the religion of the people committing this current genocide and people are to frightened to say it.
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Criticism of Israel isn’t antisemitic but saying that the Jews control ours and other western governments most certainly is.

Although Netanyahu’s far right government inappropriately play the antisemitism card all the time, criticism of Israel is most definitely not jumped on, certainly not on here or on any media outlets.

Netanyahu is personally responsible for record levels of antisemitism around the world because of people blaming Jews around the world for his actions, and you’re joining in with that.

Criticise Israel and Netanyahu all you want, and the likes of Trump for enabling it but don’t make the assumption that every Jew is complicit because that is antisemitic.

Christian evangelicals in the US have significant influence on Trump as they form much of his base and they support the extreme version of Zionism that Netanyahu’s government has adopted.
 
M18CTID said:
Yeah, I’ve always railed against this “Jews run the world” line and still do because for me it’s nothing more than a conspiracy theory. As you say, as much as I despise him, Trump could stop this tomorrow and if he did I’d hand the Nobel Peace Prize to him myself.

My thinking is more along the lines of yours that many countries - certainly the more powerful ones - are too scared to genuinely call out Israel’s actions because of the Holocaust. A similar analogy would be Liverpool fans escaping serious criticism for any wrongdoings because of what happened at Hillsborough. Thing is, it’s entirely possible to have huge empathy for the victims of the Holocaust - Christ, I’ve visited 3 different concentration camps down the years and it’s utterly heartbreaking what happened - and Hillsborough, but also call out the actions of the Israeli government in Gaza (note to Netanyahu and others - criticism of Israeli government policy is not anti-Semitic and you fucking well know it you gaslighting twats) and Liverpool fans whenever they’re guilty of shitty behaviour.
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That's an analogy that's not worth repeating.

Liverpool fans are not inflicting Hillsboroughs on other fans because of a sense of impunity.
 
west didsblue said:
Criticism of Israel isn’t antisemitic but saying that the Jews control ours and other western governments most certainly is.

Although Netanyahu’s far right government inappropriately play the antisemitism card all the time, criticism of Israel is most definitely not jumped on, certainly not on here or on any media outlets.

Netanyahu is personally responsible for record levels of antisemitism around the world because of people blaming Jews around the world for his actions, and you’re joining in with that.

Criticise Israel and Netanyahu all you want, and the likes of Trump for enabling it but don’t make the assumption that every Jew is complicit because that is antisemitic.

Christian evangelicals in the US have significant influence on Trump as they form much of his base and they support the extreme version of Zionism that Netanyahu’s government has adopted.
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The Board of Deputies was quick to suspend the deputies who wrote a public letter condemning Israel. That's the most high-profile thing the Board has said or done about genocide.
 
west didsblue said:
Criticism of Israel isn’t antisemitic but saying that the Jews control ours and other western governments most certainly is.

Although Netanyahu’s far right government inappropriately play the antisemitism card all the time, criticism of Israel is most definitely not jumped on, certainly not on here or on any media outlets.

Netanyahu is personally responsible for record levels of antisemitism around the world because of people blaming Jews around the world for his actions, and you’re joining in with that.

Criticise Israel and Netanyahu all you want, and the likes of Trump for enabling it but don’t make the assumption that every Jew is complicit because that is antisemitic.

Christian evangelicals in the US have significant influence on Trump as they form much of his base and they support the extreme version of Zionism that Netanyahu’s government has adopted.
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I fully accept your telling off :-)
As I say I have never been anti semitic ..... until perhaps now and it is (wrongly) because I cannot bear the thought of innocent people, especially children, being murdered.
I accept it is twisting my thought process, how can governments allow mass murder ?
I do, in my sensible moments, accept Israelis are trying to voice their opposition. I have just read how a Jewish film maker won an award in Israel for his film about a 12 yr old Palestinian trying to get to the seaside for a day out. The government have gone ape shit and of course threatened to defend the organisation.
Genuine, decent people of the Jewish faith are trying but when you have the likes of the Daily Telegraph spewing hate it is very hard to remain sensible.

Thank you (seriously) for your post it helps keep me away from the hatred.
 
Blue Mist said:
Until the last few months I was also of the opinion you hold but things are now so bad and not one country is doing anything I've changed my mind.
Spains answer to mass murder is to withdraw from a silly song contest.
The Uk's answer is to provide planes to help Israel to commit genocide.

'The West' stopped genocide in Serbia why can't they do it now ?
You say America could stop it tomorrow, is the rest of the world so impotent that one shit gibbon stops anybody doing anything ?
Thousands are beingICc ehtn o ess murdered. Children are dying from bullets, bombs and starvation because the Jews stop anyone from doing anything.
If I am wrong can someone explain why we are physically helping Israel to commit genocide ?
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The UK and US are part of the problem because we created the Israeli state and carved up Palestine which was a British protectorate, that’s our thinking, we will persist in supporting Israel regardless of what the IDF does to the Palestinians.

From the ICC web page, “Israel holds it over us even going so far as to threaten the ICC for having an arrest warrant out on Netanyahu, such as following the judges who labelled Netanyahu a criminal. Israel uses coercive measures including threats and acts of sabotage. UK and the US take part in applying pressure on the ICC”
 
Don Karleone said:
Check Double Down news on Twitter if you REALLY want to see what they're doing. That poor fucking child.
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It did the rounds today that. It's been a while since I've seen one like that because they're suppressing everything. Just think how fucking bad it actually is. Looks like they've now suppressed the video Double Down News by deleting it actually. So much for free speech and "elon freeing the bird". That's how you continue to enable a genocide I suppose

This one is less graphic I suppose, but same outcome. The same outcomes for tens of other toddlers too Link.

I stumbled across this today which I hadn't heard of before. Quickly ran it past Grok who says it's true or thereabouts. I have to post links to this tweet like this because twitter is suppressing this account
 
The Fat el Hombre said:
I stumbled across this today which I hadn't heard of before. Quickly ran it past Grok who says it's true or thereabouts. I have to post links to this tweet like this because twitter is suppressing this account
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Sabra and Shatila/Chatila. 16-18 September 1982. An early report by one of the first journalists to uncover the horror and his reflections 30 years on.



www.independent.co.uk

The forgotten massacre

Thirty years after 1,700 Palestinians were killed at the Sabra and Chatila refugee camps, Robert Fisk revisits the killing fields
www.independent.co.uk www.independent.co.uk
 
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