Middle East Conflict | Netanyahu orders strikes on Gaza (p1161)

The Fat el Hombre said:
Probably worth noting that as well as the 3.8 billion the US sends in aid to israel every year they also send money to Egypt to keep them sweet (for the benefit of israel).

Looks like israelis are already celebrating that "there will be jewish settlement in gaza". Grok has confirmed this video is real and the translation is correct:



Do we need to keep a list that tracks all of the israeli ceasefire violations and war crimes this time? What've they done so far - shot dead 9 people and are stopping aid getting in? See how many they clock up tomorrow
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This policy sounds very much like the plantation of English towns in Wales, or the plantation of Protestant farmers in Ulster.

You grab some of the land, give it to your 'loyal' people, privilege them and rely on them to keep the 'natives' in order.

So a policy we had in the 13th century (Wales) and 16th/17th centuries (Ireland) is now being followed by Israel in the 21st century. And the intent is clear. An enlarged Israel (like Gross Deutschland in the 20th century) with the native population either ejected (to the Arab equivalent of Connaght?) or subjugated. And when the natives kick back, they'll be horrified.
 
TinFoilHat said:
China and Russia backing Palestine.

Interesting....
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The world would be a better place(not great though) if the big 2 and the deluded other 1 stopped having a hard on for each other.
US, China and Russia your countries are big enough, no one wants to invade you or harm you, grow the fuck up.

Your sincerely

The rest of us.
 
BrianW said:
This policy sounds very much like the plantation of English towns in Wales, or the plantation of Protestant farmers in Ulster.

You grab some of the land, give it to your 'loyal' people, privilege them and rely on them to keep the 'natives' in order.

So a policy we had in the 13th century (Wales) and 16th/17th centuries (Ireland) is now being followed by Israel in the 21st century. And the intent is clear. An enlarged Israel (like Gross Deutschland in the 20th century) with the native population either ejected (to the Arab equivalent of Connaght?) or subjugated. And when the natives kick back, they'll be horrified.
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This ^^^ I think it’s the 21st century and we have learned nothing from our blood thirsty history of past colonisation. Education and lessons learned are wasted on the people we elect in the UK to govern us.
 
BrianW said:
This policy sounds very much like the plantation of English towns in Wales, or the plantation of Protestant farmers in Ulster.

You grab some of the land, give it to your 'loyal' people, privilege them and rely on them to keep the 'natives' in order.

So a policy we had in the 13th century (Wales) and 16th/17th centuries (Ireland) is now being followed by Israel in the 21st century. And the intent is clear. An enlarged Israel (like Gross Deutschland in the 20th century) with the native population either ejected (to the Arab equivalent of Connaght?) or subjugated. And when the natives kick back, they'll be horrified.
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EXACTLY. And when the natives rebel, they will be the terrorists.
 
Manc Born & Bred said:
Maybe, just maybe it’s because Hamas breached the terms of the agreement hence the reduction in aid trucks going in. Do you resent the fact that Israel wants its dead hostages back to give them a proper burial?
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When they can't even find thousands of Palestinians, its a little tricky isn't it? Almost like they have been setup to fail...

oldius said:
As they march through the rubble, and the bodies of upto 200,000 Palestinians litter the streets, we still have people here keen to maintain the discourse that Hamas are the terrorists. At what point do an occupying army who shoot civilians, repeatedly bomb the land and salt the earth, steal homes, and starve children, become the terrorists?

I can understand (sort of) an older generation who grew and learned through the terror of the Holocaust, who were taught about the horrors experienced by Jews, that changing the thought process can be tricky. My father refuses to use social media, and his experience of this conflict comes from the Daily Mail and GB News. He refuses to accept criticism of Israel. He has similarly strong loyalist views about Northern Ireland too. He is 80 and will not change, but for younger people so exposed to what is going on, and what has been going on, how can you remain so utterly entrenched in the view that Israel is somehow a victim?
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True, but we have to rememebr that Hamas are also murdering Palestinians unfortunately, anyone they decided has collaborated with Israel/IDF etc no trial, just lined up and shot in the street, pretty worrying.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
Surely the salient point about the bodies of the hostages is that Hamas should have established whether they knew where they were before consenting to return them as part of the agreement.

Knowing that you are capable of complying is surely a fundamental tenet of any formal agreement.
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Consent is a funny thing. I'll consent to a lot if the price of not consenting is the bombing of my home with my family in it.
 
SiMCFC said:
When they can't even find thousands of Palestinians, its a little tricky isn't it? Almost like they have been setup to fail...



True, but we have to rememebr that Hamas are also murdering Palestinians unfortunately, anyone they decided has collaborated with Israel/IDF etc no trial, just lined up and shot in the street, pretty worrying.
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It appears so.
It is very difficult to discern truth when journalists are not allowed into Gaza.
In such circumstances, I tend to rely on information from Doctors Without Borders and Amnesty International.
 
KS55 said:
Can this possibly be true?
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I saw something from an Israeli Jewish man a few days ago. He said that prolonging the 'war' was all about Netanyahu staying in power. As a consequence, consistent Hamas 'crimes' were created by him, which required Israeli 'response', thus extending the conflict and his status.
I always found it hard to believe the array of tunnels under hospitals and schools, but such is the propaganda of war.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
Pretty sure the cunts in Hamas that consented to the agreement haven’t got any homes with their immediate families in.
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I don't know.
I have no time for anyone at all who murders the innocent, which is why I view Israel's conduct so harshly.
I have no time for Hamas either, but I grew up with Irish Catholic grandparents, and an Irish Catholic mum, and English Protestant father. One family member's freedom fighter was another's terrorist. One family member's peacekeeper was another's occupier.
If I were Palestinian, you could be sure I would support the struggle.
 
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Is it true that hamas only freed male hostages, murdering all the women so that they couldn't speak about what happened to them while they were held hostage?
 
oldius said:
I don't know.
I have no time for anyone at all who murders the innocent, which is why I view Israel's conduct so harshly.
I have no time for Hamas either, but I grew up with Irish Catholic grandparents, and an Irish Catholic mum, and English Protestant father. One family member's freedom fighter was another's terrorist. One family member's peacekeeper was another's occupier.
If I were Palestinian, you could be sure I would support the struggle.
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I remember Mrs Blair getting into trouble for expressing the view in your last sentence. Mind you, her husband has a bit of history in the Middle East.
 
Grassland Blue said:
Is it true that hamas only freed male hostages, murdering all the women so that they couldn't speak about what happened to them while they were held hostage?
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There is only one female hostage left in Gaza, Inbar Hayman, who was murdered whilst in captivity. There were plenty of females who were taken alive who have been released who have shared some details of their time in captivity. And of course many females were raped and murdered on October 7 as were some males.
 
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