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Palestine 36 is a dramatisation of the Arab Revolt in the late 1930s. (A revolt against the British, but mainly because the British were arming Jewish settlers.) The film is clearly attributing to the British some of the tactics taken up sinceby Israeli forces, including detention camps and reprisals against civilians who may or may not know where rebels or weapons are. Although the main thrust is the rival Muslim groups (some accused of being too accommodating to Zionists) there's quite a bit about Christian Arabs, including rebel flags that bear a cross.

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Captain Orde Wingate (Robert Aramayo) was a Christian Zionist with a clear contempt for the rural "fellaheen" (peasant farmer) population, many already displaced from land they had farmed for centuries. The film if anything minimises his abhorrent behaviour.

There's no direct portrayal of the Zionist side - it's seen through the impossible position of the British, trying to fulfil the Balfour Declaration to provide a Jewish homeland but failing miserably to fulfil its obligation to protect rights of the existing non-Jewish communities. The film is Palestine’s entry for next year’s Best International Feature Film Oscar. Annoyingly for the Israeli government, Israel’s entry, “The Sea”, is also sympathetic to the Palestinian cause.
 
Still not keen on Christians...

Going to be funny/depressing watching the gullible morons parroting shite from the israel lobby and try to justify it when israel really goes to town on the Christians there (and when they start invading other countries for 'greater israel'). Mother agapia said in her interview with Tucker Carlson that the Christians out there know 'they're next'.

Seems to be silence from these massively religious zionist grifters where a lot of the low IQ gullible morons get their misinformation from, funnily enough.

Here's a story from Friday October 23rd (before the middle east apparently began on October 7th 2023), when Israel bombed a church:

"Hundreds of Christians and Muslims were sheltering in Saint Porphyrius church when a missile brought down part of the complex, killing 16 people.

The airstrike was a reminder of what everyone in Gaza City already knew. There was no safe shelter from Israeli bombs pounding the city."


But, "judeo christian values", or something...
 
What Netanyahu is doing to Palestinians has nothing to do with Christian values murdering innocent people by association, it’s not civilised.
It goes back thousands of years to Herod murdering all the first born sons under the age of
two yrs in Bethlehem.
Check out all the Christian values on show supporting the invasion of Gaza or Lebanon, Iran and Doha there is nothing Christian about innocent people being killed in order to catch a terrorist.
 
Is there an Israel lobby? Can we now say that? I mean it seems clear to me that western media are stymied, told, threatened? In what to print and say about Israel. So can we say that now?

Because a few years ago when you said that it was called out, but it seems obvious to me now.
In 2003 Labour friends of Israel LFI described itself as "a Westminster based lobby group working within the British Labour Party to promote the State of Israel" It has been described as "less unquestioning in its support of the Israeli government than the Conservative FOI
Between 2001 and 2009, the Labour FOI, sponsored more than 60 MPs to visit Israel, more than any other group.
We can say politicians accept money “from friends of Israel” under normal circumstances it’s supposed to be acceptable, a conflict of interest arises when our government support the actions of the Israeli government over the UK peoples right to protest the actions of Netanyahu in Gaza and the West Bank.
 
Is there an Israel lobby? Can we now say that? I mean it seems clear to me that western media are stymied, told, threatened? In what to print and say about Israel. So can we say that now?

Because a few years ago when you said that it was called out, but it seems obvious to me now.
I think the current narrative is to ask why no protests about genocide in Sudan. It's a poor argument to say that our genocide isn't as bad as others. And people may have learned (from Israel) that, if it suits, the world will turn a blind eye.
 
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“Israeli forces have rounded up at least 25 Palestinians in raids across the occupied West Bank, spanning the areas of Tulkarem, Hebron and Nablus, according to the Wafa news agency, soon all the people Israel released will be either re-arrested or dead.

Israel military has conducted overnight incursions in the occupied West Bank, raiding the towns of Tubas, Bal’a, Anabta and Qabatiya, where the Wafa news agency reports soldiers shot and injured a young Palestinian man and a child”
Al Jazeera
 
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“Turkiye’s main expectation from a planned international stabilisation force (ISF) in Gaza is for it to provide guarantees that the fragile ceasefire will last, says its Defence Ministry

At a briefing in Ankara, Turkiye's Defence Ministry said it believed the US-led 'Civil-Military Coordination Centre' must ensure unhindered humanitarian aid deliveries into the Gaza Strip in line with international law

Gaza’s Civil Defence says it's recovered 51 bodies from a mass grave in Gaza City as US President Trump requested Israel’s president to pardon PM Netanyahu, calling his corruption case a “political, unjustified prosecution”
AL Jazeera
 
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Palestine 36 is a dramatisation of the Arab Revolt in the late 1930s. (A revolt against the British, but mainly because the British were arming Jewish settlers.) The film is clearly attributing to the British some of the tactics taken up sinceby Israeli forces, including detention camps and reprisals against civilians who may or may not know where rebels or weapons are. Although the main thrust is the rival Muslim groups (some accused of being too accommodating to Zionists) there's quite a bit about Christian Arabs, including rebel flags that bear a cross.

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Captain Orde Wingate (Robert Aramayo) was a Christian Zionist with a clear contempt for the rural "fellaheen" (peasant farmer) population, many already displaced from land they had farmed for centuries. The film if anything minimises his abhorrent behaviour.

There's no direct portrayal of the Zionist side - it's seen through the impossible position of the British, trying to fulfil the Balfour Declaration to provide a Jewish homeland but failing miserably to fulfil its obligation to protect rights of the existing non-Jewish communities. The film is Palestine’s entry for next year’s Best International Feature Film Oscar. Annoyingly for the Israeli government, Israel’s entry, “The Sea”, is also sympathetic to the Palestinian cause.

I watched this at Home this weekend. Thought it was pretty good. And seemed to be a lot of the same tactics used by israel today - from the kid tied to the car at the start who looked like a human shield, to the smashing up the press office to shut off news coming out, writing articles themselves and passing them off as being from arabs, paying militia to fight each other, the watching posts and fences look the same as we saw in Louis Thereux's documentary, except they have machine guns and tanks these days.

Interesting watch. Don't know where I could watch "The Sea" though?

Looks like israel and the west are going to let the elements make palestinians lives a complete misery for now:



Well, when I say 'let the elements', they are blocking aid to make it as worse as possible for the remaining civilians, obviously:

 
Is there an Israel lobby? Can we now say that? I mean it seems clear to me that western media are stymied, told, threatened? In what to print and say about Israel. So can we say that now?

Because a few years ago when you said that it was called out, but it seems obvious to me now.

Yes we can fucking say it. There's been books on this for years:

The Israel Lobby and US Foreign Policy: John J. Mearsheimer

Some people think that AIPAC is a conspiracy FFS! They literally brag about the control they have over american politicians themselves, and it's become blatantly obvious these past couple of years now that Americans can see how their country is occupied by israel, which is why Maga is ending as we speak (trump and about 0% of american politicians both democrat and republican have aipac handlers ensuring they work in the best interests of israel).

Most people over here have no idea about the control israel has over our country, but you can see exactly who they are whenever the israel lobby is trying to push some bullshit narrative (like the maccabi shite recently).

They will all come out to bat for israels best interests - starmer, nandy, streeting, yvette cooper, braverman, patel, nik ferrari, shelagh fogarty, the telegraph, express, the mail, even the bbc's middle eastern content is headed by raffi berg a mossad fanboy ffs. Then you've got the zionist propagandists for the really stupid misinformed people, like douglas murray, kisin konstantin, and obviously tommy robinson who recently went on a little humiliation tour of israel with his bald little nobhead pal liam tuffs. It goes on and on and on. The youtubers in the states have fought back but we don't have that over here and the zionist run media has convinced low IQ gullible morons here that anyone opposing the genocide is a blue haired far leftie.

"Greater israel" was something that was considered a conspiracy theory up until a few weeks ago, when netanyahu said he has a connection to it - Times of Israel.

Greater israel involves invading multiple other countries and ethnically cleansing millions of people, you know, like the Nai's did? You'd think people would be more worried about it but the israel lobby will pollute our media full of shite and the same morons who used to think that the genocide was ever about the hostages, or that hamas were stealing aid and killing their own people etc etc will suddenly believe the bullshit that egypt is about to get nukes or some other war enabling lies they come out with, like they have for the past couple of years (and decades before).
 
The flooding in Gaza is catastrophic most of the buildings destroyed one and a half million people living in appalling circumstances.
The aid once again piled up on the border. Who cares ? not our government where are Palestinians supposed to get help from?
 
The flooding in Gaza is catastrophic most of the buildings destroyed one and a half million people living in appalling circumstances.
The aid once again piled up on the border. Who cares ? not our government where are Palestinians supposed to get help from?
Egypt ?

Long live Israel
 
Some 'Christians' back Israel because they hope to bring about the Battle of Armageddon and the end of the world. (As they think they are God's chosen and will have a first-class ticket to Heaven.)

This is particularly true of Americans.

I was talking to our Vicar about it on Sunday, and he reckons it all comes from a misunderstanding of Scripture. That's to cut a long story short.

It's scary shit what some people believe; they make the Taliban seem relatively sensible.
 
Some 'Christians' back Israel because they hope to bring about the Battle of Armageddon and the end of the world. (As they think they are God's chosen and will have a first-class ticket to Heaven.)

This is particularly true of Americans.

I was talking to our Vicar about it on Sunday, and he reckons it all comes from a misunderstanding of Scripture. That's to cut a long story short.

It's scary shit what some people believe; they make the Taliban seem relatively sensible.

Cyrus Scofield in 1909 is one of the main reasons American evangelicals are obsessed with Israel. Really weird, I guess Israel think of them as useful idiots.
 

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