Middle East Conflict

Update
As of today 7 February 2024

More than 28,000 Palestinians killed and 70,000 wounded by IDF since 7th October (so that excludes the 250 Palestinians killed and 700 wounded by IDF between 1 January 2023 - 6 October 2023)

1 ambulance of the 3 ambulances in convoy hit by airstrike. That makes it only the last 5 ambulances left for the whole of Gaza.

 
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Netanyahu is doing untold damage to the future of Israel to try and extend his own survival in office and avoid jail. You only need to see the young faces on marches, on campuses and in protests to realise that as the older generation die off those people will be the voters and people in office possibly high office in future. Given their views will they listen to future cries for help from an Israel in a dire place ?
 
This is a fairly strong warning to the Israeli regime, considering relations historically. I really don't understand why the US need to be funding Israel in this particular instance in the first place though, it's not like say the Ukraine situation where they are being invaded by an aggressor with more resources and more financial backing.
 
Irwell said:
This is a fairly strong warning to the Israeli regime, considering relations historically. I really don't understand why the US need to be funding Israel in this particular instance in the first place though, it's not like say the Ukraine situation where they are being invaded by an aggressor with more resources and more financial backing.
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I’ve always found direct comparisons between the Ukrainian and Palestinian situations to be hugely simplistic, even though both are tragic and involve unwarranted aggression from a more powerful party towards another.

Israel is entitled to feel under threat from those around it, and was provoked by a particular atrocity, where Russia is/was not x2.

That said, Israel’s response is a million miles from being proportionate and, as you suggest, the US needs to start reflecting that in deeds as well as words.

Israel’s right to exist cannot trump everything in its path. There have to be limits to the way they prosecute that right.

And there have to be solutions that go beyond a perpetual sledgehammer.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
I’ve always found direct comparisons between the Ukrainian and Palestinian situations to be hugely simplistic, even though both are tragic and involve unwarranted aggression from a more powerful party towards another.

Israel is entitled to feel under threat from those around it, and was provoked by a particular atrocity, where Russia is/was not x2.

That said, Israel’s response is a million miles from being proportionate and, as you suggest, the US needs to start reflecting that in deeds as well as words.

Israel’s right to exist cannot trump everything in its path. There have to be limits to the way they prosecute that right.

And there have to be solutions that go beyond a perpetual sledgehammer.
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Absolutely, they feel threatened by Hamas and are entitled to feel that way given what happened. I see the situation as more akin to our situation in Northern Ireland a few decades back than to the Ukrainian one, though Hamas make the IRA look fairly peaceful comparatively. I didn't see the US sending us billions of dollars in aid to us, mostly because we are a fairly wealthy nation capable of paying our own way in the world (and ignoring the fact many Americans were financing the IRA). Israel is no different, it is a wealthy nation capable of fighting its own battles.

I can understand why a country would look at the Ukraine situation and say they need military and economic help to deal with the situation against a very well armed and resourced nuclear superpower. I can't understand why they would look at the Israel situation and think the same. Hamas is a somewhat well armed militia, you'd probably find better armed militias in many US states having seen videos of some of their militia armouries.

If other countries in the region suddenly became actively involved in the situation then I could understand the situation changing, but the most Hamas get is a bit of cash and some cast off weapons that would probably be swallowed up in a day of the Israeli defence budget.

I feel like if they knew that unless things really hit the fan they were funding this stuff themselves they might be a little more restrained in their actions and more considerate of opinion in the wider region.
 
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