Not sure what the point of this obvious attempt at provocation is Damo?
I understand you disagree with those criticising the far right Israeli regime’s actions in Gaza and the West Bank, based on some of your previous posts in this and other related threads (though, I am still fuzzy as to your political allegiances, as I can’t imagine you are an adherent of Kahanism, and therefore wouldn’t consider yourself aligned with the likes of Smotrich, Ben Gvir, Gallant, et al).
But I don’t understand these infrequent, sarcastic guerrilla posts, rather than directly engaging in good faith debate. Seems out of character.
I may have missed previous interactions you have had on the subject, though, and so probably have an incomplete picture of what may be motivating them.
Either way, I am happy to hear your thoughts on this subject, as my understanding is you and I have quite a lot in common as far as direct experience of the current state of affairs and the implications of it.
My thoughts on this and much of the current world events tend to be cynical mockery. I concentrate my energies on community politics and events now almost exclusively.
Heres my views summarised if you want:
Israel has a disproportionate amount of power in the political systems of Western nations due to their lobbying (legal and otherwise), and due to the Judeo-Christian apocalyptic vision. This has given them power in intra-national bodies that doesn't square with the size, economy or importance of their nations. Both of these have been used to make Israel closer to a rogue state than a Liberal democracy when it comes to its defence policy.
The State of Israel is a key ally against terrorism and authoritarianist countries. They are a huge ally in terms of science and technology, the economy, trade, the NHS and various others. The UK would be worse off by almost every metric if we broke an alliance with Israel.
The land of Israel and Palestine belongs to neither group. Land belonging to people morally is a utopian idea and historically inaccurate. Land belongs to the people with the bigger guns. That's how it's always worked.
There's no good guys here. There's twats vs twats. I refuse to entertain people who claim that the terrorism from Hamas is a justified liberation strategy. Nor that attacking crowds at a concert is part of an ongoing war.
Many of the people who claim to be pro-Palestinian are really more anti-Israel and it would be useful for all involved if they admitted it.
Israel isn't going to stop this until there's no Palestinian lands left and even if a Palestinian state were created, it would just become a rogue state within a generation that would attack Israel anyway because like Israel, they'll never stop wanting more. No treaty will ever work.
Palestinian heritage and culture has nothing to do with a Palestinian state or flag and many Palestinians have been whipped into a nationalism by a history that doesn't exist in order to throw themselves at Israel.
Israel is using collective punishment and commiting war crimes against civilians, and I don't accept that "it will make things quicker" or "well we had to bomb that hospital because muh terrorism" as an adequate excuse. Yes, wars are hard. Urban wars especially. Soldiers have to spend months to properly clear a city. That's the cost of it. You can't level entire cities because you fancy early finish Friday. I mean that's just fucking cheating.
This war doesn't matter. If Israel wipe out Palestinian lands then it will be under constant attacks for generations. If they don't, then they will be under constant attacks for generations. If they retreat then then they will be under constant attacks for generations. If they form a two state solution then then they will be under constant attacks for generations. You can substitute Israel and Palestine there whenever you want. They've been educating their children for three generations that this is a blood war. Nothing will change now.