Middle East Conflict

grunge said:
I think Hezbollah will lose, no doubt in my mind. but they will hit back a lot harder than Hamas did. lots of dumb missiles to overwhelm Iron dome followed up by more accurate weapons, Thats assuming Iran hasn't sent them more modern stuff, the best they have seems to be 100m accuracy and a range of enough to hit most of Israel and a stockpile of around 700.

Especially if they can coordinate with what is left of Hamas to overwhelm Iron Dome.

Don't get me wrong, Iron dome is spectacular in terms of its abilities, but it does have a finite capacity before it needs to be reloaded. and there is apparent footage of one Iron dome unit been hit in the last few hours so its not infallible.
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Self Quote, the missile fired this morning is vastly more powerful than what is listed as in Hezbollahs arsenal. this launch was either an angry faction firing randomly or a warning of what is available.

Same one Yemen fired a while back. this is one that gets interceopted by Arrow rather than the Dome.
 
In 1800 Jews made up 3% of the population of Palestine.
In 1890 8%
At the outbreak of WWI, 14%
By 1932 17%
And just before the creation of the state of Israel in 1947 the Jews made up 32% of the population.

So as can be seen there has been a steady influx of Jews to the area but at no time did they make up anything like the majority of the people living in Palestine.

Who's land is it?
 
Eds said:
Judea and Samaria is indeed part of Israel. If you don't believe that to be the case then whose land is it?
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Actually, Jordan ruled that piece of land between 1948 and 1967.
The question is: did the Palestinians demand for a statehood during this period?

Israel conquered the West Bank during the 1967 war. Under international law, that land becomes a part of Israel. Just like Nagorno Karabach or Crimea.
 
robbieh said:
In 1800 Jews made up 3% of the population of Palestine.
In 1890 8%
At the outbreak of WWI, 14%
By 1932 17%
And just before the creation of the state of Israel in 1947 the Jews made up 32% of the population.

So as can be seen there has been a steady influx of Jews to the area but at no time did they make up anything like the majority of the people living in Palestine.

Who's land is it?
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The Jewish population grew post 1947 for various reasons including the purge of Jews from Arab countries.
Just like the Arabs talk about the Nakhba, Jews were Nakhba'ed from most Arab countries.

These people had their homes stolen from them and they were welcomed back to Israel.

Also, it's sad that Arabs have not given full citizenship to Palestinian refugees. They are treated as second class citizens in Jordan, Lebanon, Syria etc.
 
Pelegrinni said:
The Jewish population grew post 1947 for various reasons including the purge of Jews from Arab countries.
Just like the Arabs talk about the Nakhba, Jews were Nakhba'ed from most Arab countries.

These people had their homes stolen from them and they were welcomed back to Israel.

Also, it's sad that Arabs have not given full citizenship to Palestinian refugees. They are treated as second class citizens in Jordan, Lebanon, Syria etc.
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Good points. Although it's probably true that had Israel not been created the Jews in Iraq and elsewhere would not have been expelled.

Yes the other Arab countries have been unhelpful although they'd argue that if you give citizenship then they'd never go back to Palestine as you're sort of agreeing to their expulsion.

However this does not alter the fact that Jewish claims to the land are based on ancient history and that the vast majority of people who've loved, worked the land, owned houses and died in this area have been Palestinians.
 
Eds said:
Interesting data.

1. Can you clarify the date in October when IDF opened fire in the Metula area?
2. Was there a truce with Hezbollah or just Hamas. Even so Hezbollah claimed attacks and rockets on Israel so the data above is flawed. Plenty of sources to show that Hezbollah attacked Israel during the truce last November
3. Total red herring. A goal is a goal, it doesn't matter if you smash it into the net or it trickles in. And there are thousands of terrorists and arms that need to be taken out by Israel
4. Oh please not that old chestnut. Hamas etc deliberately position themselves in civilian areas, it's a tactic to gain support from useful idiots around the world. They don't care if civilians die as they think it helps their cause. Indeed Sinwar has described civilian deaths as “necessary sacrifices”.

Off to the match now, hope you enjoy.
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I’m rarely on forum now. For humanitarian matters. On the questions, here are info:

1. Previous to the Metula IOF attack, the bombs from Lebanon targeted Israel occupied territories, which Israel identifies as Syrian land. In contrast, Syria identifies the territory as Lebanon land. Fwiw, Lebanon bombs striked Lebanon land whereby consisted of Lebanon abandoned outposts. Hence why ACLED identifies the cross-border attack being Metula as Metula borders Israel and Lebanon.

2. A truce between Hamas and IOF, which Hezbollah also announced by video announcement of Hezbollah non attacking during the truce. Bear in mind that miltias are not only Hezbollah.

3. A nuclear warhead vs a precision JDAM. Difference. As well, the Lebanon missiles are outdated models.

4. You made a slip of the tongue there by mentioning Hamas. The villages bombed by Israel in Lebanon are not Hamas, but Hezbollah targetted. And they were residential villages. Refer to the ACLED maps. The attack on Lebanon were mostly sporadic villages. The attack on Israel were mostly military bases and outposts.
 
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