Middle East Conflict

[Prestwich_Blue]

That doesn’t make them crocodiles though.

Imagine if someone called a religious people as less than human, or maybe described them as rats.

How would that make you feel and respond on here?

I‘d assume you’d be advocating permanent bans, wouldn’t you?

It was a satirical analogy. The problem is that some on here can't see beyond their own prejudices.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

It was a satirical analogy. The problem is that some on here can't see beyond their own prejudices.

I’m in neither side and thought it was crass, rather than satirical.

It added nothing but petrol to the debate.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

This lasted all of 5 minutes.



Why don’t you put each other on ignore as I don’t think either is likely to convince the other and it’s all rather circular at this stage.

I'm happy to put him on ignore if he respects that he's on ignore and doesn't respond directly or indirectly.

 

[urban genie]

Hamas don't want a two-state solution. They want a one-state solution that doesn't involve any Jews, or even anyone who opposes them or who otherwise doesn't meet their views of what a society ruled by them should look like. No LGBT people, women as second class citizens, only one religion and one set of political beliefs.

And that's not some Islamophobic fantasy, because we've already seen it for real with their ideological brothers in ISIS and the Taliban. I'd say that the majority of Palestinians would swap Hamas for peace at this moment but they don't get that option.

Yet it's amazing how many on here decry Israeli violations of human rights while beimg happy to support organisations like Hamas. Funny how standards and principles get turned on their heads when it's Jews/Israelis involved.

I am not sure, bar one person anyone here criticising in reality the the IDF and Likuds response rather than every Israeli citizen are supporting Hamas who are complete evil scum.

The majority here have condemed any unlawful and unecessary violence from either side.

But I donn't want to argue the same points again, Hamas and PIJ at cunts, some memebers of the Israeli governments are equally so, now I only want innocent deaths to stop amd hosrge released.

What I would like to know PB is what is your take on the Torah Jews stance, as they are getting a lot of trends on social media and firing out tweets, which obviously many pro plestinians are retweeting and pro Israeli government slating

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

I’m in neither side and thought it was crass, rather than satirical.

It added nothing but petrol to the debate.

The problem is, you can't live in peace with people who want to destroy you. And Hamas aren't freedom fighters but ideologically driven bigots, as indeed are some on the other side. Those people should be marginalised but they're the ones calling the tune currently.

Hamas aren't suddenly going to become all luvvy-duvvy with Israel so either the Palestinians themselves, or the Israelis, have to marginalise them. Of course it would be better if it was the former but it looks more likely to be the latter. And then they have to do the same with those on their own side.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

I am not sure, bar one person anyone here criticising in reality the the IDF and Likuds response rather than every Israeli citizen are supporting Hamas who are complete evil scum.

The majority here have condemed any unlawful and unecessary violence from either side.

But I donn't want to argue the same points again, Hamas and PIJ at cunts, some memebers of the Israeli governments are equally so, now I only want innocent deaths to stop amd hosrge released.

What I would like to know PB is what is your take on the Torah Jews stance, as they are getting a lot of trends on social media and firing out tweets, which obviously many pro plestinians are retweeting and pro Israeli government slating

See my response on page 341

https://forums.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk/threads/israel-palestine-conflict.334241/page-341#post-16556595

These people are (ideologically) little different to Hamas/Isis/The Taliban, but without the violence.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

The problem is, you can't live in peace with people who want to destroy you. And Hamas aren't freedom fighters but ideologically driven bigots, as indeed are some on the other side. Those people should be marginalised but they're the ones calling the tune currently.

Hamas aren't suddenly going to become all luvvy-duvvy with Israel so either the Palestinians themselves, or the Israelis, have to marginalise them. Of course it would be better if it was the former but it looks more likely to be the latter. And then they have to do the same with those on their own side.

I don’t disagree with your reasoning, I am disagreeing with you analogy that dehumanises them.

None of your reasoning likens them to a crocodile.

 

[SWP's back]

I'm happy to put him on ignore if he respects that he's on ignore and doesn't respond directly or indirectly.

I agree, it would work much better if you both did it.

 

[kaz7]

Israel and eygpt crowing about the aid they are allowing in , will help 1000 people at best , cunts

 

[urban genie]

See my response on page 341

https://forums.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk/threads/israel-palestine-conflict.334241/page-341#post-16556595

These people are (ideologically) little different to Hamas/Isis/The Taliban, but without the violence.

Cheers, I did only see one video where they said real Jews wear hats Zionists don't so wondered if they are taken seriously as a voice or not as it also had a massive rally in new york by them so they seemed like they have a bit of influence in some US communities