Ducado
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They probably do but not at the highest levels
Middle East Conflict
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bluethrunthru
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On any normal day hundreds of trucks take supplies into Gaza - this is not normal
cucumberman
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Losing votes for Netanyahu is reflective of losing votes for Ehud Olmert.
Olmert was demanded to resign due to his poor actions of the Lebanese wars. Lebanese civilians were killed in hundreds yes. 1300 civilians. But the attacks were regarded as a failure by right-wing Israelis.
He opted to resign because he no longer was in favour of the ceaseless attacks demanded by his soldiers to attack.
He resigned, but it had to be resigned by awaiting election, and the next PM is……Netanyahu.
A year after Olmert no longer PM, justice made investigations and was indicted to have bribery with several US individuals.
Olmert was demanded to resign due to his poor actions of the Lebanese wars. Lebanese civilians were killed in hundreds yes. 1300 civilians. But the attacks were regarded as a failure by right-wing Israelis.
He opted to resign because he no longer was in favour of the ceaseless attacks demanded by his soldiers to attack.
He resigned, but it had to be resigned by awaiting election, and the next PM is……Netanyahu.
A year after Olmert no longer PM, justice made investigations and was indicted to have bribery with several US individuals.
halfcenturyup
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So, let's say it would take a year to plan and source the volume of materiel for this attack. Is it likely that none of these paid informers could see what was happening over a period as long as that? If they can't see that build-up happening they must be getting paid for nothing. :)
That's a stretch.
Not for ever.
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Meanwhile in the West Bank, over 1400 arrested and the world yet again turns a blind eye to the settler terrorism:
The man in Israeli military uniform sliced off Mohamed’s clothes with a knife, urinated on him, and then, after relentlessly beating him, they tried to rape him with a stick. He details the assault in the village of Wadi al-Siq, about 20 miles northeast of Jerusalem in the occupied West Bank.
Mohamed Mattar, 46, a Palestinianactivist and humanitarian had come to this Bedouin community, to assist 30 Palestinians families that lived there. They appealed for help, as attacks by Israeli settlers across the occupied West Bank had surged and become dangerously violent, in the aftermath of Hamas’s brutal attack in southern Israelon 7 October.
There were reports that armed settlers were planning a “cleansing day” in retaliation for the Hamas that killed 1,400 people. And so on that day - 12 October - panicked families in Wadi As-Siq who had already been subjected to multiple terrifying armed raids, decided to evacuate. With Mohamed’s help they began loading the cars up, but before they could successfully leave, two pick up trucks packed with armed settlers and men in military uniforms, arrived.
Mohamed says the men, he identifies them as a mix of Israeli police, soldiers and settlers in military uniforms, forced those gathered to empty the bags gunpoint, and found kitchen knives among the belongings. Mohamed says they accused him of planning to stab one of them.
“They took me and two other men deep into the village so that no one could hear our voices. And then they took turns to hit us one by one for 2 hours,” Mohamed tells The Independent, while showing photos of his injuries immediately after the attack, and the scars which still crisscross his body. He was blindfolded and his hands were bound by metal wire which have left permanent gouge marks on his wrists.
He says one of his assailants – who he believes to be an Israeli settler in military uniform – then cut off his clothes with a knife, sprayed him with water, urinated on him and started beating him savagely with sticks, and a rifle.
My attacker lost his mind, he started jumping on my back to break my spine like he wanted to disable me. He kept shouting “All Arabs should die, all who don’t die, should go to Jordan,” Mohamed says.
Then the man tried to insert a stick into Mohamed’s anus, he says. “I fought him hard to get him off my back to stop him from assaulting me like this. He broke the stick into three pieces by beating me.”
In the end, after multiple calls were made to Israeli military, a commander intervened. Mohamed was released and remains wounded weeks later.
But the 30 families, comprising 180 people including 25 children, were forced to flee their homes despite living in Wadi As-Siq for more than three decades.
“They told us at gunpoint we had to leave,” says Ali Arrara, 35, a father of five, speaking from a tent in an olive grove in a nearby town where he is now camping with the other displaced families.
“I wanted to take the medicine for my immunocompromised three-year-old daughter from the fridge but they wouldn’t even allow me to do that.
“They destroyed the fridge and the medicines in front of me,” he adds.
The children, who now live in fear, and cannot stop crying. Behind him one of his sons, a six-year-old boy, is in floods of tears.
“My older daughter, who is four years old, was so scared. Now whenever she sees a car or pick up truck she screams ‘they are coming’,” Ali says.
The story of Wadi as-Siq story is not an isolated one. The occupied West Bank is fast “boiling” over, according to the UN, whose top officials have repeatedly raised the alarm. They fear a spillover risk from Gaza which could open another front in this already devastating war.
More here:
Inside the most aggressive West Bank land grab in more than 50 years
Bel Trew visits villages in the occupied West Bank and hears harrowing tales of settler violence in which Palestinian families describe being forced from their homes – in what human rights groups say is the single biggest land grab since Israel captured the region in 1967www.independent.co.uk
The settlers wearing military fatigues are that controlling even retired IDFs presented of accounts of these settlers directing IDFs the reason why Palestinians who never had terror, had to resort to terror.
Left-wing Israelis condemned of the actions by settlers with guns and weapons and arson, all the way condemning for settler violence to the understanding of PM Netanyahu. However, right wing Israelis condemned the left-wing Israelis and supported the settlers.
So you've gone from saying its complete nonsense to saying they probably do.
Well done you're making good progress and moving in the right direction, its nice to see someone hold their hands up and admit when they're wrong or ill informed.
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All sounds very genocidey