Middle East Conflict

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Be interesting to see how many show up and what conclusions we'll be presented with to help us make up our minds.

 

[meltonblue]

John Oliver’s segment on it on his show recently (saw it today but not sure when it originally went out) was superb.

 

[Vic]

BBC 4 running the 6-part "Fifty Years War" series (made in 1998, "World at War" style).

For a useful "primer" on the British mandate, though it's a bit thin on the actual declaration of the state of Israel, this short documentary may assist:

 

[bluethrunthru]

Has there been any proof as yet of any HAMAS bases being discovered under any hospitals in Gaza ?

 

[goalmole]

Has there been any proof as yet of any HAMAS bases being discovered under any hospitals in Gaza ?

The West is next?
The West isn't occupying the Palestinians, although they are facilitating it.
Typical Israeli gaslighting and fearmongering.

 

[goalmole]

I am a little uneasy with this talk of the IHRA definition of anti-Semitism. While the list certainly includes things someone who is anti-Semitic may say or do, I am not sure it works the other way: that someone who says or does some of those things is, by definition, anti-Semitic. It certainly doesn't work that way in law in the UK, for example. There is no offence (or definition) of anti-Semitism in UK law. Unless I am wrong, which is entirely possible, of course, the offence would fall under hate crime legislation which also has to consider motivation.

Put it this way, if there was a similar definition of anti-Palestinianism, anti-Arabism or Islamophobia (take your pick), the joke you made earlier about suicide bombers could fall under two of the corresponding activities described in the definition. Should you be prosecuted? Should you lose your livelihood, as some people on here have been saying about the idiot woman with the stupid placard? Should you be labelled an Islamophobe? Of course not.

It all goes too far, imho.

In my mind there is a simple definition of anti semitism, and that is do you hate Jewish people as a race or as individuals? If you do then you are anti semitic.
Everything else is just a cover to shut down criticism of the Israeli state.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

In my mind there is a simple definition of anti semitism, and that is do you hate Jewish people as a race or as individuals? If you do then you are anti semitic.
Everything else is just a cover to shut down criticism of the Israeli state.

In your mind. LOL. Why not offer your services to the IHRA? You sound like just the expert they need.

 

[Manchester_lalala]

Just to think millions were voting for him.

 

[Keeper!]

Obviously no one was antisemitic before October (sarcasm alert for those who don't quite grasp the concept).

But what you're essentially saying is that it's OK and understandable to persecute Jews for Israel's actions. Some of you on here are fucking brain dead.

So the actions of Israel in the last few weeks have caused no ill feeling towards them and their people?

Always playing the anti semitism card, ever race in history has their persecutors, always have and always will.

 

[Keeper!]

The hostages is the thing I don’t get most about this approach.
Of course you may be sure that talks are going on however.
The are many governments involved, including our own, trying to negotiate for one young girl with an Irish passport.
You may be sure the US and UK governments and perhaps others are working in the background.

I would have thought the best situation would be to negotiate their release, maybe even consider prisoner exchange , then take action, and the time negotiating would be used to gather intelligence on Hamas movements and positions.