Middle East Conflict

[inbetween]

Wow. Give me anti-war foolishness rather than warmongering wisdom.

How can you be anti-war if you are heavily critical of Israel but not equally heavily critical of Hamas who continues to hold hostages to further its violent goals? The duplicity on here is deafening.

 

[Ducado]

what problem goes away if other Arab nations give displaced Palestineans citizenship? Not trying to have a go and genuinely curious what you meant here.

The issue PB is highlighting is that there are still Palestinian refugee camps in some Arab countries whereas the normal way of things refugees are normally assimilated, but if tat happened the issue would lessen, however I’m not sure it’s just an issue for the host countries Palestinians are quite a distinct group with their own traditions and culture and don’t want to assimilate

 

[dublinblue12]

Idf moved into hospital, can't find any tunnels or command centre but does find some AK47s and ammo.

Amazing that Hamas left that so conveniently to prove the Idfs claims.

What a crock of shit. Who do the IDF think they are kidding? Another shameless war crime.

They have found concrete evidence that Hamas were actually operating inside the bodies of the children, sick and elderly in there.

 

[halfcenturyup]

How can you be anti-war if you are heavily critical of Israel but not equally heavily critical of Hamas who continues to hold hostages to further its violent goals? The duplicity on here is deafening.

Once again, everyone was critical of Hamas for their actions last month, including the taking of hostages.

Does everyone have to say that every post? Like it or not, what people are discussing now is the continuing response. Or put it this way (irony intended), if Israel hadn't responded the way it has, no-one would be constantly criticising their unnecessarily excessive punishment.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

Extremist calling for a Jewish woman to be raped. The extremist is draped in an Israeli flag

 

[philiph20]

How can you be anti-war if you are heavily critical of Israel but not equally heavily critical of Hamas who continues to hold hostages to further its violent goals? The duplicity on here is deafening.

Everybody on here has been vociferous in their criticism of the repugnant Hamas, Hamas are scum as are Likud but one sides crimes are ignored by western governments and they are given carte blanche to behave as they please that's the difference.

 

[Vic]

How can you be anti-war if you are heavily critical of Israel but not equally heavily critical of Hamas who continues to hold hostages to further its violent goals? The duplicity on here is deafening.

Clever that, using a non-sequitur to suggest duplicity.

 

[mexico1970]

Extremist calling for a Jewish woman to be raped. The extremist is draped in an Israeli flag

One is a patronising arsehole and the others have lost the plot, passive aggressive meets just plain nutters.

 

[The blue phantom]

Extremist calling for a Jewish woman to be raped. The extremist is draped in an Israeli flag

Evil bastards

 

[Vic]

Hang on. We're always told that 750,000 were displaced in the Nakba. That means there are millions of Palestinians who are probably third or fourth generation who have never, ever, lived in the former Palestine territory. They were born in places like Jordan and Egypt but aren't allowed to be citizens, and their descendants may never be.

I said earlier in this thread that my great-grandparents came to the UK from Eastern Europe around 1900. I'm a third-generation British citizen, not a Russian refugee. My American daughter-in-law has a British passport alongside her US one because her father was born in London to parents who were American citizens living and working in the UK at the time of his birth.


Now here's an interesting example of how people can hold two entirely conflicting views at the same time without any form (in their minds) of irony.

People seeing that Arab refusal as somehow noble, yet criticise our own government for its treatment of migrants and refugees. Even if you're of clear Palestinian descent but have no desire to go back and would love to be a Jordanian citizen, you're still not allowed to be. You're effectively an outsider and always will be. So being a 'Palestinian' despite having lived all your life in another country, is like being a Jew in Nazi Germany, but with the 'Palestinian' tag replacing the yellow star.

The real reason Arab governments (bar Lebanon I think) deny citizenship to even third or fourth generation Palestinians is because if they do that, the problem goes away and they have no stick to beat Israel with. And that shows just how Arabs see Palestinians. They're only useful as refugees, not as human beings.

You have a right to live in Israel, over a century after your ancestors chose to come to the UK rather than go to Palestine. They got here a few years before the UK passed the Aliens Act to keep out Jews from Russia.

Do the Palestinians have a right to return to the land their ancestors left?