Middle East Conflict

All this wouldn't have happened without Hamas terror on 7 Oct:
Hamas taken apart, Hezbollah taken apart, Iran weakened,
Assad regime finally fallen, ruzzia worrying of losing their presence in Syria right now.

Still shaking my head about the premature posts on here celebrating that Israel's tough counter strikes were EXACTLY what Hamas (and the incredibly powerful Hezbollah, yawn) wanted Israel to do and that Israel only fell into the clever Hamas trap.

What a brilliant analysis of the situation that was! Congrats again.

Sure, we don't know how it will move on in that region but I'd say so far the Hamas plan somehow didn't come off.
I was one of the people who posited that; quite stridently iirc. Doesn’t mean I was wrong about Hamas’ intentions behind the attack, but I fully accept that I almost certainly was about the long-term effect. Especially upon Hamas.

There’s no knowing for sure if that trying to inflame the region more widely to their advantage was or wasn’t Hamas’ intention, but if it was, I’d say it’s spectacularly backfired.

What do you think Hamas’ thinking was behind it?
 
I was one of the people who posited that; quite stridently iirc. Doesn’t mean I was wrong about Hamas’ intentions behind the attack, but I fully accept that I almost certainly was about the long-term effect. Especially upon Hamas.

There’s no knowing for sure if that trying to inflame the region more widely to their advantage was or wasn’t Hamas’ intention, but if it was, I’d say it’s spectacularly backfired.

What do you think Hamas’ thinking was behind it?
Well that's impossible for me to think like a terrorist who is born into a life that has built his brain structure to the state that it is like now.

I guess they didn't kill 1,000+ civilians to come to a constructive solution with Israel. They would be finding far more support in all western countries if they would simply ask why people around the world are supposed to live free and in dignity, but not in Gaza. We would have no answer.
We have seen huge support on western streets, but Hamas played their cards extremely poorly.

Hatred and revenge was their plan instead and yes I do understand where it's coming from but still it's a shite plan (of mainly young uneducated brainwashed testosterone driven rebels with too many weapons, as a generalizing remark).

Would they play more chess they had been able to think 3 or 5 moves ahead.
They also shouldn't listen to ruzzia or Iran who only want to destabilize any region where they want to gain more influence. Gladly that went down the drain.

But there's not much hope. The conflict is too old, the wounds too deep, too many different radical religious parties involved. In a geopolitical hot spot.
Let's hope Syria can go a more moderate route, with so many different interests and parties in the mix. Radicals will already be planning to thwart that route. Like always.
 
So Assad kills between 500,000 and 1,000,000 Syrians and that OK.
But about 1/10rh of the lower threshold are killed by Israel (according to Hamas I may add) after Hamas attacked Israel and that's Genocide?
Wow!
Israel has to live by different rules apparantly.


About quarter of a million Kurds have been murdered in their quest for a homeland. The situation in the Sudan civil war is even more catastrophic than the situation in Gaza. Assad should be facing arrest under an ICC warrant but nothing on that front either, while Netanyahu is.

That doesn't make what Israel is doing right, or in any way excuse it, but no one ever talks about either of these, or accuses the Iraqis/Turks of war crimes.

Previously in the thread:
That would be the Syria that's left of Syria? What "guarantee" could Assad give Israel? I'm against permanent occupation of territory captured in war (at the heart of the problem) but the best anyone could hope for re the Golan Heights would be a demilitarised zone. It's not exactly the immediate problem. (22 October 2023)

[Re IHRA antisemitim examples]

Take "Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, e.g., by claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavor." I may misunderstand the intent behind that, but how is the concept of a "Jewish state" not an endeavour based on race? (That's without the current situation where all Israelis are equal but some are more equal than others.) But is that different from Kurds wanting a Kurdish state? Or "England for the English"? Maybe not, but Israel was of course based on endeavouring to create a Jewish state. (16 December 2023)

It's taken 12 years to get to 500k dead in Syria (mostly combatants and not all from Assad bombs). It's taken the Israelis 12 weeks to kill as many civilians in Gaza as in the first year of the Syrian civil war. I'm reluctant to see how many children Israel can kill before one can scream. (9 January 2024)
 
Wonder if matters internally in Iran will now take on some sort of momentum. Now has to be the best time, surely.
Be interesting if Trump fancies it when he gets in.

Do deals with Xi over Taiwan and Putin in Ukraine so they don't get in the way.

There's a huge geopolitical end game taking place at the moment. BRICS V the dollar?
 

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