Mike Riley - SSN

[inbetween]

Absolute rubbish, he came on to shift the blame onto FIFA not in some degree of transparency.

If a referee says he has seen the tackle then he should be brought to book rather than the FA flapping about saying they can't do anything about it because that isn't good enough. The referee should have to come and explain why he never sent the player off. If you got it wrong in any other job you'd have to so why not here.

Retrospective action is a dangerous tool. We don't want games re-refereed because in almost every game there is a contentious decision.

It's just wouldn't work.

This is where video technology should come in, in the interests of playing fair. You can't be banning Kompany for one thing and then Johnson the week after gets away with the same thing. TBH nowadays i seriously doubt there are any rules which are actually applied, i'm under the impression in each match the referee is given the full power to interpret the rules as they see fit, to support this who are they answerable to for crucial decisions.

It isn't fair and it should be but because of the way the system is structured, fair play is hampered. That's wrong.

 

[samharris]

Anyone see Mike Riley on Sky sports news earlier?

He stated that the refs have sent out a video to all clubs to illustrate what kind of tackles will be deemed to be sendings off. He said several times that when players fly in two footed they run the risk of a red card which I think is fair comment.

He also talked about retrospective action on decisions which have been "seen" by the match official(e.g. johnson and BAE). He said the reason why the FA can't act is due to FIFA regulations and that the FA are trying to change it.

I think it was a good move by Riley to make this appearance. The refs get slated every week yet we don't hear their side of the story or the rationale behind their decision making.

These kind of appearances promote a greater understanding and harmony between the refs and the rest of the game.

If he said that two-footed tackles 'run the risk' of a red card, then that is not a rule so much as an invitation for refs to interpret a challenge in anyway they chose, which means if you're Kompany you're off, and if you're Johnson you're okay. Well, we already know that.

Thats where the rule book crumbles..'Invitation to interpret' is bollux tbh..its this very rule that leads to one player being carded and another not getting sent off for excactly the same thing..
I wish the FA would man up and set the rules for refs to adhere to 100% instead of giving them the option to...Vinnie would have rightly been sent off and so would have Johnson..no questions asked...the questions are asked when one is and one is not..

 

[salfordblues]

This is where video technology should come in, in the interests of playing fair.

How would video technology work logistically?

Anyone see Mike Riley on Sky sports news earlier?

He stated that the refs have sent out a video to all clubs to illustrate what kind of tackles will be deemed to be sendings off. He said several times that when players fly in two footed they run the risk of a red card which I think is fair comment.

He also talked about retrospective action on decisions which have been "seen" by the match official(e.g. johnson and BAE). He said the reason why the FA can't act is due to FIFA regulations and that the FA are trying to change it.

I think it was a good move by Riley to make this appearance. The refs get slated every week yet we don't hear their side of the story or the rationale behind their decision making.

These kind of appearances promote a greater understanding and harmony between the refs and the rest of the game.

If he said that two-footed tackles 'run the risk' of a red card, then that is not a rule so much as an invitation for refs to interpret a challenge in anyway they chose, which means if you're Kompany you're off, and if you're Johnson you're okay. Well, we already know that.

Thats where the rule book crumbles..'Invitation to interpret' is bollux tbh..its this very rule that leads to one player being carded and another getting for excactly the same thing..
I wish the FA would man up and set the rules for refs to adhere to 100% instead of giving them the option to...Vinnie would have rightly been sent off and so would have Johnson..no questions asked...the questions are asked when one is and one is not..

Football is a such a fast flowing game that it is impossible for the ref to be 100% consistent.

They're human, they make mistakes. Although I do accept that there have been a fair few decisions that have gone against us recently.

 

[glossop is blue]

Absolute rubbish, he came on to shift the blame onto FIFA not in some degree of transparency.

If a referee says he has seen the tackle then he should be brought to book rather than the FA flapping about saying they can't do anything about it because that just isn't good enough. The referee should have to come and explain why he never sent the player off. If you got it wrong in any other job you'd have to so why not here.

It's funny because referees are a law unto themselves, seemingly answerable to no-one. Take the Balotelli incident, Howard Webb said he didn't see the incident which is fair enough even though it's arguable whether he actually did or not. But the Johnson two footed challenge, the FA say they can't take action because the ref said he saw it, OK fair enough FIFA rules say they can't do anything in that situation but why is he still allowed to continue to referee having given Johnson free reign to make an impact on our Carling Cup campaign while Kompany is sidelined. They say they are there to enforce fair play. My arse!!

Lee Mason shouldn't have refereed a league 2 game after the Carling cup game.

 

[fathellensbellend]

havn't seen the interview, but having just read some of the comments it does nothing to restore my faith in the fairness of games.

one of my biggest gripes is say when manchester united play liverpool, we all get to hear how they need a certain referee to be in charge, and that the ref should allow certain things because of the nature of the game, ie let a few tackles go because it is a big game, in effect saying we are allowing dirty tackling because it is utd v liverpool, how the hell is that fair, surely every game should be reffed on it's merits, regardless whether wigan are playing fulham or the supposed big guns are playing.

also i remember alan wiley in charge of liverpool v everton, duncan ferguson came on as sub, he instantly shouted to his linesman, to keep an eye on him, in effect confirming the pre judging of certain players.

years ago you hardly knew who the refs were, now they are as familiar as players, halsey with his i am the players mate, i make it up as i go along routine, dowd with his dramatic gestures, clattenberg with his consistent bentness to all things manchester city, while allowing allsorts to favour utd at old trafford, walton kick anything in a city shirt and get away with it, while booking city players for next to nothing approach. etc etc

 

[Vic]

John Terry was sent off at City a few years ago, pulling the last player down as he went through.

However, as it was on the half way line, Terry appealed saying that it wasn't a goalscoring opportunity.

The FA agreed. They rescinded the red card, and did NOT make it a yellow even though that was the minimum it would have been.

It's either a red or it's not. They can't make any other decision.

Can we get this one right? Mark Halsey said he'd sent him off for Serious Foul Play, not for denying a goalscoring opportunity (there was another defender in the vicinity). The FA said rugby tackles aren't serious foul play.

 

[doots]

havn't seen the interview, but having just read some of the comments it does nothing to restore my faith in the fairness of games.

one of my biggest gripes is say when manchester united play liverpool, we all get to hear how they need a certain referee to be in charge, and that the ref should allow certain things because of the nature of the game, ie let a few tackles go because it is a big game, in effect saying we are allowing dirty tackling because it is utd v liverpool, how the hell is that fair, surely every game should be reffed on it's merits, regardless whether wigan are playing fulham or the supposed big guns are playing.

also i remember alan wiley in charge of liverpool v everton, duncan ferguson came on as sub, he instantly shouted to his linesman, to keep an eye on him, in effect confirming the pre judging of certain players.

years ago you hardly knew who the refs were, now they are as familiar as players, halsey with his i am the players mate, i make it up as i go along routine, dowd with his dramatic gestures, clattenberg with his consistent bentness to all things manchester city, while allowing allsorts to favour utd at old trafford, walton kick anything in a city shirt and get away with it, while booking city players for next to nothing approach. etc etc

I never have quoted anything with a 'this',but fuck me,here goes.

This.

 

[dom]

Absolute rubbish, he came on to shift the blame onto FIFA not in some degree of transparency.

If a referee says he has seen the tackle then he should be brought to book rather than the FA flapping about saying they can't do anything about it because that isn't good enough. The referee should have to come and explain why he never sent the player off. If you got it wrong in any other job you'd have to so why not here.

Retrospective action is a dangerous tool. We don't want games re-refereed because in almost every game there is a contentious decision.

It's just wouldn't work.

This is where video technology should come in, in the interests of playing fair. You can't be banning Kompany for one thing and then Johnson the week after gets away with the same thing. TBH nowadays i seriously doubt there are any rules which are actually applied, i'm under the impression in each match the referee is given the full power to interpret the rules as they see fit, to support this who are they answerable to for crucial decisions.
It isn't fair and it should be but because of the way the system is structured, fair play is hampered. That's wrong.

To whom are they answerable??? looks like ose sad biased souls , are subject to internal moderation by higher up .....

sad biased souls......... (obviously NOT you Mr Ragly)....

never thought, after 54 years on his planet , that I could feel so pessimistic about faith in refereeing integrity in football

 

[Soulboy]

John Terry was sent off at City a few years ago, pulling the last player down as he went through.

However, as it was on the half way line, Terry appealed saying that it wasn't a goalscoring opportunity.

The FA agreed. They rescinded the red card, and did NOT make it a yellow even though that was the minimum it would have been.

It's either a red or it's not. They can't make any other decision.

Can we get this one right? Mark Halsey said he'd sent him off for Serious Foul Play, not for denying a goalscoring opportunity (there was another defender in the vicinity). The FA said rugby tackles aren't serious foul play.

Serious foul play? He pulled him back!

And if Terry had been sent off, and the referee was convinced it was the right action at the time, how come he changed his mind at the appeal?

I think you're thinking of another incident?

 

[ID70]

Dear Ian,

With regards to Assou Ekotto, under FIFA guidelines, The FA only act retrospectively in off the ball 'not seen' scenarios, where the referee would have been unable to see a particular incident. Where an official has seen a coming together of players, regardless of the outcome, no retrospective action can be taken in accordance with FIFA guidance.

Kind regards

Gary
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This is the FA's response I received when I questioned them about the Assou Ekotto challenge. Passing the buck and not taking any responsibility...oh unless it is Ben Thatcher of course.