Mixed race players

[foxy]

Apparently mixed race is un PC these days it's dual nationality!! My wife who is half Arabic half English said what a load of bollocks that is.

indeed it is... My stepdaughter who is mixed race calls herself 'half caste' FFS! I call her Nicole....

A few years ago (circa 2006) I was talking to good friend who was/is black about a lad we knew who had done a mugging in Bristol, I innocently referred to him as that "half caste" kid. I was politely advised that the correct terminology was "mixed race". Couldn't see the difference myself but accepted the comment graciously - no problem.

Why is mixed race now deemed offensive? I do believe this is getting silly, but as always, happy to conform.... So the latest is ....?

Blair's Britain.

I used the term 'mixed race' in an A-level politics lesson. The teacher pulled me up on it and said the correct term is 'dual nationality' and that 'mixed race' assumes somebody is a mix of something and therefore offensive. Ridiculous!

 

[gooner6729]

Apparently mixed race is un PC these days it's dual nationality!! My wife who is half Arabic half English said what a load of bollocks that is.

indeed it is... My stepdaughter who is mixed race calls herself 'half caste' FFS! I call her Nicole....

A few years ago (circa 2006) I was talking to good friend who was/is black about a lad we knew who had done a mugging in Bristol, I innocently referred to him as that "half caste" kid. I was politely advised that the correct terminology was "mixed race". Couldn't see the difference myself but accepted the comment graciously - no problem.

Why is mixed race now deemed offensive? I do believe this is getting silly, but as always, happy to conform.... So the latest is ....?

I believe the correct term now is shared cultural heritage.

I used to wonder about the Ferdinands and Cashley Hole. Not only are they of mixed heritage, but they grew up in and around their mums white families, while the dads went walkies early on. Yet they embrace their "blackness".

I reckon it's a lot to do with social class. I doubt Anthony Taylor's (he is the disgraced Tory member of the House of Lords who happened to be black) mixed kids really aspire to be inner city gangstas. Their dad was a barrister, a Tory MP in the Home Counties and they have grown up in affluence.

White kids from inner city estates in London on the other hand will often speak Jafakin or behave in a way society perceives to be black.

The second group is more likely to produce footballers. It's about environment and not colour.

A good example are the Boateng half brothers. Both born to a Ghanaian father and German mother in Berlin. Kevin Prince grew up in 'da hood' and Jerome grew up in a middle class German environment. Both are footballers and have the same genes, but behave and are perceived very differently.

 

[gooner6729]

Barack Obama is mixed race, but claims more of his identity as back due to his father being black. I've talked to other mixed race dudes that claim the same thing as Obama. It has to do with the father's side as a Male.

I like your observation that the father's side is male. Now that surely is something everyone has in common and can agree upon.

We all have male fathers, even Elton John and Michael Jackson's kids.

Of course you are in danger of digging another hole by suggesting the paternal side is somehow more important than the maternal one.

 

[jay_mcfc]

Stan Collymore talks about this in his book. A lot of his depression and confusion comes from not feeling like he had a 'side'. He said people in football presumed he would be a 'black guy' but he was a bit in limbo because he felt like he was more white. He goes on to say that there are no groups or leaders that are for mixed race people. That somehow society has left them behind.

I'm not really sure what the op's point is though. Do you think Ferdinand should start up a mixed race footballers group? Or should he be on the white side?

Either way, in 2013 it's all a bit sad.

 

[tidyman]

Apparently mixed race is un PC these days it's dual nationality!! My wife who is half Arabic half English said what a load of bollocks that is.

indeed it is... My stepdaughter who is mixed race calls herself 'half caste' FFS! I call her Nicole....

A few years ago (circa 2006) I was talking to good friend who was/is black about a lad we knew who had done a mugging in Bristol, I innocently referred to him as that "half caste" kid. I was politely advised that the correct terminology was "mixed race". Couldn't see the difference myself but accepted the comment graciously - no problem.

Why is mixed race now deemed offensive? I do believe this is getting silly, but as always, happy to conform.... So the latest is ....?

Mixed race isn't deemed offensive by anybody.

I highly doubt a single mixed race person has ever been offended by the term. When kids or indeed anyone else are describing someone, the term mixed race is probably used over 99% of the time, when it is applicable.

Nobody uses terms like dual nationailty or mixed heritage. They probably appear on a few forms that some equality officer has come up with but nobody actually talks like that.

 

[nobody can eat fifty eggs]

My wife suffered racial abuse of a gang of black women a few years ago all because she's mixed race. She was basically being attacked for the fact that her Dad fell in love with a white woman....how dare he?
Stupid small minded bitches.

 

[Carver]

The label 'Half Caste' wasn't meant to be derogatory when first used. The word was derived from the Spanish and Portuguese casta, which the Oxford English Dictionary quotes John Minsheu's Spanish dictionary (1599) to mean, "race, lineage, or breed. When the Spanish colonized the New World, they used the word to mean a "clan or lineage." However, it was the Portuguese who employed casta in the primary modern sense when they applied it to the many in-marrying hereditary Hindu social groups they encountered upon their arrival in India in 1498.

So it actually means somebody half one race and half another, so I would suppose more than 2 races could be described as tri, quad or multi caste

However, when you look at the etymology (history) of the word casta comes from the Latin word castus which means pure.

So what's pure? aren't we all derived from Ethiopian people many millennia ago?
Aren't white English people Anglo Saxon Pict Cetlic Norman Scandinavian mongrels?

The problem lies in what was defined as half caste. In some countries the definition was that one parent was white, the other from the indigenous population and I suppose that down the years the meaning of 'pure' was perceived to be white, which was not the original Spanish or Portugese intention.

Is 'half caste' offensive, I don't use it, I'll leave that up to the individual, it's generally perceived to be offensive, but It's only society that dictates what is offensive and the meaning of words can change through improper use or use as slang. Fifty years ago a man could be gay without being homosexual, now if you are straight you can only be happy and carefree.

 

[Davs 19]

The label 'Half Caste' wasn't meant to be derogatory when first used. The word was derived from the Spanish and Portuguese casta, which the Oxford English Dictionary quotes John Minsheu's Spanish dictionary (1599) to mean, "race, lineage, or breed. When the Spanish colonized the New World, they used the word to mean a "clan or lineage." However, it was the Portuguese who employed casta in the primary modern sense when they applied it to the many in-marrying hereditary Hindu social groups they encountered upon their arrival in India in 1498.

So it actually means somebody half one race and half another, so I would suppose more than 2 races could be described as tri, quad or multi caste

However, when you look at the etymology (history) of the word casta comes from the Latin word castus which means pure.

So what's pure? aren't we all derived from Ethiopian people many millennia ago?
Aren't white English people Anglo Saxon Pict Cetlic Norman Scandinavian mongrels?

The problem lies in what was defined as half caste. In some countries the definition was that one parent was white, the other from the indigenous population and I suppose that down the years the meaning of 'pure' was perceived to be white, which was not the original Spanish or Portugese intention.

Is 'half caste' offensive, I don't use it, I'll leave that up to the individual, it's generally perceived to be offensive, but It's only society that dictates what is offensive and the meaning of words can change through improper use or use as slang. Fifty years ago a man could be gay without being homosexual, now if you are straight you can only be happy and carefree.

The word caste is originally derived from the Latin 'Castus" which means pure.

If some one called me half caste I think I'd be offended.

 

[jazzy]

in GB we are all of mixed race , we have all got our genes from various tribes races ect ect . so who gives a flying f... what anyone call themselves , I am a Welsh/Scottish/Irish/ Anglo Saxon with a bit of Danish Viking mixed in

 

[Crouchinho]

in GB we are all of mixed race , we have all got our genes from various tribes races ect ect . so who gives a flying f... what anyone call themselves , I am a Welsh/Scottish/Irish/ Anglo Saxon with a bit of Danish Viking mixed in

Just say you're Anglo saxon, danish or viking mate, never say you're Scottish or welsh.

It does make me laugh when I speak to Americans who say they're half English, irish, Scottish yet both parents are born in America and they have never set foot on the Isles.