More flat track bullying

[TheThirdDeano]

The fact that we havent beat the top 6 teams, very poor performances (across the board) when playing away is obviously a moral/confidence thing. That is what the manager is for, and he cant do it in the prem, never has been able to. He's good at tactics and the technical side, but as far as man management goes he hasnt got it.

I want to see more of this....

Did you not see Willy's performance in the cup final?
Let me tell you something. He only performed like that because of Pellegrini's man management. You are talking utter, utter, shit.

 

[daztrueblue91]

It also points out that West Ham, man u, Spuds, Liverpool and L'Arse have been utter wank against bottom clubs where as we have have been consistently better, otherwise they would all be 10 points ahead of us. There is 3 points for a win whoever we play so what would it matter if Leicester beat us twice and lost to Villa twice whereas we beat Villa twice and lost to Leicester twice? Us and Leicester would still be on 6 points.

Deffo agree about the wages and it has a been consistent for a long time.

Whilst statistically speaking there is the same amounts of points available no matter the opposition, there are other factors that come into play when playing a title rival.

Losing against Leicester and Spurs at home gave them 3 points at our expense, it also gave them momentum going into the title run in. It raised questions about our mentality and puts more pressure on us in the other games.

 

[BillyShears]

There's three teams - Leicester, West Ham and, to a slightly lesser extent, Spurs - who have performed better than expected. United and Chelsea ,who we'd have expected to be up there, have performed a lot worse. So in the overall scheme of things, I'd accept that as an argument to a degree.

But it certainly doesn't answer the question of why we are under-performing as a team and individuals. It doesn't account for Silva seemingly being unable to pass to a team-mate (although the pass for Aguero's second was him at his sublime best). It doesn't explain why our midfield and defence parts like the Red Sea when an opposing team run at it with purpose, like for Liverpool's first goal on Wednesday. Or why Hart stood rooted to the spot while Lallana's shot trickled past him from distance. It doesn't explain why Otamendi insists on diving in 40 yards up the field and leaving a huge hole behind him or why Demichelis couldn't be bothered jumping with Huth for Leicester's third.

So finishing 3rd in the context of a stronger league is acceptable. Finishing third because of individual mistakes or sustained under-performance as a team is less so.

I'm not sure what the point is in tearing your hair out about what's acceptable and what isn't when we're in the position we are in with regards what happens next. It's something which is maybe where my opinions significantly diverge from yours and many others both on this forum and out in the City supporting world at large.

To a greater or lesser extent the issues are managerial and to do with our older players who seem to have lost a yard of pace and a degree of hunger. The appointment of Pep ensures that next season will be a fresh start. So I can temper any frustration about what we should or shouldn't have achieved this season with the prospect of that fresh start with the best manager in the world.

Again that isn't about making excuses. It's about being realistic. Pellegrini had a shit season. Silva, Toure, Vinny equally so. Maybe we can mitigate because of injuries, but in Vinny and Silva's case at their respective ages, it's not something which Pep is gonna put up with.

 

[TFC]

We've dropped just 4 points from our 15 games against the bottom half (home to Everton and away at Villa) so we've got 41 out of 45 or 2.93 points per game. That's more than any other team which reinforces the claim that we are flat-track bullies.

Interesting stats and I would agree this is exactly where the frustration that started this thread comes from. Having seen what we are capable of football wise over the last few years, increased parity in the league is not a good enough excuse (for me) as to why we keep getting spanked by other top half teams. Yes other teams are better and its great for the league, but they haven't improved that fucking much, they just work harder and that's hard to accept because we know what we are capable of.

Top 3 finish, league cup and a decent run on the CL will do for me this season because we are going to see a huge improvement against the top teams next season and we all know it. It's a great time to be a blue.

 

[malg]

The fact that we havent beat the top 6 teams, very poor performances (across the board) when playing away is obviously a moral/confidence thing. That is what the manager is for, and he cant do it in the prem, never has been able to. He's good at tactics and the technical side, but as far as man management goes he hasnt got it.

I want to see more of this....

Didn't Klopp do all that stuff before the penalties?

 

[daztrueblue91]

I know that our goal scoring stats are very good but I still think we have had major problems in that department this season.

We have missed amply opportunities in key games this season and quite often received a sucker punch from the opposition.

I think big routine wins against the likes of Bournemouth, Newcastle and Villa has masked a lack of a clinical edge in the big games this season.

A few what immediately spring to mind are Spurs and Arsenal away, Juventus at home and Liverpool in the final. We should even have a more resounding lead against Kiev.

 

[malg]

I know that our goal scoring stats are very good but I still think we have had major problems in that department this season.

We have missed amply opportunities in key games this season and quite often received a sucker punch from the opposition.

I think big routine wins against the likes of Bournemouth, Newcastle and Villa has masked a lack of a clinical edge in the big games this season.

A few what immediately spring to mind are Spurs and Arsenal away, Juventus at home and Liverpool in the final. We should even have a more resounding lead against Kiev.

The chances we missed at Villa away were fucking diabolical.

 

[daztrueblue91]

The chances we missed at Villa away were fucking diabolical.

They was and West Ham at home. Sometimes you just have to accept that it's not your day.

That said, I think players will have a different mindset in the bigger games. Like yesterday we knew we would keep on creating chances. Whereas when we played Spurs or Arsenal away we were less clinical.

It also doesn't seem to help that we conceded so many soft goals.

 

[Keepingthefaithsince1976]

The fact that we havent beat the top 6 teams, very poor performances (across the board) when playing away is obviously a moral/confidence thing. That is what the manager is for, and he cant do it in the prem, never has been able to. He's good at tactics and the technical side, but as far as man management goes he hasnt got it.

I want to see more of this....

More of what;
1st picture...."Please look into my eyes"?
2nd picture..."Thankyou...here let me hug you.

 

[Keepingthefaithsince1976]

I know that our goal scoring stats are very good but I still think we have had major problems in that department this season.

We have missed amply opportunities in key games this season and quite often received a sucker punch from the opposition.

I think big routine wins against the likes of Bournemouth, Newcastle and Villa has masked a lack of a clinical edge in the big games this season.

A few what immediately spring to mind are Spurs and Arsenal away, Juventus at home and Liverpool in the final. We should even have a more resounding lead against Kiev.

City do not take enough of their chances. Until that changes to a higher conversion we cannot win the champions league. Chances become fewer against higher quality teams. The margins are very small.

 

[KenTheLandlord]

Whilst statistically speaking there is the same amounts of points available no matter the opposition, there are other factors that come into play when playing a title rival.

Losing against Leicester and Spurs at home gave them 3 points at our expense, it also gave them momentum going into the title run in. It raised questions about our mentality and puts more pressure on us in the other games.

Would that be the momentum that has seen Tottenham win lose and draw the next 3 PL matches or Leicester losing their next match then squeaking past Norwich at home then dropping points against WBA at home?

Momentum is ok if you use it, otherwise you question why have they raised their game for certain matches.

 

[daztrueblue91]

Would that be the momentum that has seen Tottenham win lose and draw the next 3 PL matches or Leicester losing their next match then squeaking past Norwich at home then dropping points against WBA at home?

Momentum is ok if you use it, otherwise you question why have they raised their game for certain matches.

Momentum may have been the wrong word when using Leicester and Spurs to back my point up.

But it will definitely give them self belief that they can win the league.

Going to the Etihad and outplaying City is going to do wonders for their confidence. They will know that if they can perform like that against us then that can beat anyone is this league.

And raising you game in the big matches is what all sides should be doing.

 

[stonerblue]

The fact that we havent beat the top 6 teams, very poor performances (across the board) when playing away is obviously a moral/confidence thing. That is what the manager is for, and he cant do it in the prem, never has been able to. He's good at tactics and the technical side, but as far as man management goes he hasnt got it.

I want to see more of this....

fucking bollox

 

[KenTheLandlord]

They was and West Ham at home. Sometimes you just have to accept that it's not your day.

That said, I think players will have a different mindset in the bigger games. Like yesterday we knew we would keep on creating chances. Whereas when we played Spurs or Arsenal away we were less clinical.

It also doesn't seem to help that we conceded so many soft goals.

I do agree with this. Our scoring record away is abysmal.
the defence when it comes to conceding has not been too bad.

 

[KenTheLandlord]

Momentum may have been the wrong word when using Leicester and Spurs to back my point up.

But it will definitely give them self belief that they can win the league.

Going to the Etihad and outplaying City is going to do wonders for their confidence. They will know that if they can perform like that against us then that can beat anyone is this league.

And raising you game in the big matches is what all sides should be doing.

And making sure you don't slip up against "lesser" teams is equally important. Maybe Leicester and Tottenham though they had done it when they lost those matches after beating us.

The thing is, three points is three points and where you get them from, no-one will give a fuck when we win the league.

 

[daztrueblue91]

And making sure you don't slip up against "lesser" teams is equally important. Maybe Leicester and Tottenham though they had done it when they lost those matches after beating us.

The thing is, three points is three points and where you get them from, no-one will give a fuck when we win the league.

And when we don't win the league we will look back at the games against Spurs and Leicester as the ones which cost us the title.

 

[squirtyflower]

And when we don't win the league we will look back at the games against Spurs and Leicester as the ones which cost us the title.

So that would be Clattenburg in the Spurs games and the blind twat at the Leicester game who didn't see Sergio chopped to the ground

 

[Millwallawayveteran1988]

So that would be Clattenburg in the Spurs games and the blind twat at the Leicester game who didn't see Sergio chopped to the ground

I think he meant Leicester at home which to be fair we deserved to lose. That one was down to Pellegrini for me. Just rolled up expecting us to win. We have been more solid since then with the exception of the capitulation at Anfield. Decisions, injuries, individual errors and poor tactics have cost us this season.

 

[warringtonblue]

Let's hope the bullying carries on next Saturday !

 

[Sir peace frog]

are we supposed to take it easier on the weaker teams ? stupid fucking thread