Rodri was a converted striker. He had some techincal ability to begin with. Enough for us to pick that attribute when closely scouting him.
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Morgan Gibbs-White
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Zabbasbeard
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If our aim is to finish 6th at best Gibbs-White is our man. Serious downgrade. Its a big no from me.
Part of the issue is the number 10 role as we see it is a bit of a dying art. You look at most of the top teams in Europe now and very few, if any, have a De Bruyne level 10 in their teams. I think MGW would fit the profile of what the modern day 10 seems to becoming. He's absolutely nowhere near De Bruyne but nobody is and I include Wirtz in that. Just a look at stats for 8 / 10s across the teams in Europe we are supposedly miles behind and MGW on paper is ahead of them all. I'm not saying that means he's a better player but it shows we don't need that statistical freak centrally to compete and win.
MGW = 7G, 8A
Liverpool:
Szoboszlai = 6G, 6A
Mac Allister = 5G, 5A
PSG:
Ruiz = 5G, 5A
Neves = 3G, 8A
Barcelona:
Pedri = 4G, 5A
Dani Olmo = 9G, 3A
Inter:
Barella = 3G, 3A
Mkhitaryan = 1G, 4A
The thing the teams do have is output wide / up top. That's where our issue lies, as an on song Foden, Haaland and Marmoush are all high output players but not necessarily with assists and the guys that back them up are nowhere near for goals and assists. I think the focus should be on replacing De Bruynes output as a collective and potentially trying to sign a top level / high output wide man to pick up some of that slack and support what we currently have or go for fullbacks who can also produce in the final 3rd.
His stats are more impressive when you consider how little of the ball Forest tend to have
BillyShears
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Rodri was a converted striker. He had some techincal ability to begin with. Enough for us to pick that attribute when closely scouting him.
Do you think the recruitment team picked MGW's name out of a tombola?
We're just going to have to agree to disagree until he joins and is a revelation in his first season. Maybe we'll meet again in his Player Performance thread around December. Whether I'm wrong or right I look forward to continuing the discussion around his ability once we've seen him in our team.
We have made plenty of mistakes when it comes to recruiting within the Premier League. MGW seems another from that list and with a premimum price tag attached.Do you think the recruitment team picked MGW's name out of a tombola?
We're just going to have to agree to disagree until he joins and is a revelation in his first season. Maybe we'll meet again in his Player Performance thread around December. Whether I'm wrong or right I look forward to continuing the discussion around his ability once we've seen him in our team.
BillyShears
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We have made plenty of mistakes when it comes to recruiting within the Premier League. MGW seems another from that list and with a premimum price tag attached.
The PL hits far outweighs the misses in terms of their impact to the team. And the misses outside of Grealish, were always bought as squad players. Also, you have no idea what his transfer fee will be for the moment, and price tag is ultimately irrelevant because it can't be assessed until a player has been at your club for a couple of years.
Forest's chairman isn't going to let him go cheap. That is one guarantee. If we thought Wirtz was expensive.The PL hits far outweighs the misses in terms of their impact to the team. And the misses outside of Grealish, were always bought as squad players. Also, you have no idea what his transfer fee will be for the moment, and price tag is ultimately irrelevant because it can't be assessed until a player has been at your club for a couple of years.
Don't see how signing Gibbs-White is that different to Liverpool signing Van Dijk, Mac Allister, or Salah down the years.
When Liverpool spent £75m on Van Dijk he was a 26 y/o who'd played for the might of Groningen, Celtic, and Southampton. He'd made about a dozen Champions League appearances and that was about it. Did anyone really see him becoming the best CB in the world? I doubt it.
Mac Allister was another. Started in Argentina, played a handful of games for Brighton but didn't really look like much until he had that breakout six-month period after the World Cup in 2022. Liverpool snapped him up but did we see him leading a Premier League-winning midfield two years on? Hm.
And the big one, Salah. He'd shown a bit of promise as a kid at Basel but his move to Chelsea bombed and his reputation in Italy was that he was fast and tricky but that he had a real problem with missing chances. The consensus was that he wouldn't unseat Coutinho as Liverpool's star player.
And of course, Rodri. He'd played at a good level for Villarreal, Atletico, and Spain's youth teams, but even after 18 months here people couldn't see an actual Balon d'Or winner in him. A solid player but hardly what he is now. Point is, you don't know how a signing is gonna be until they pull on the shirt and start playing for you.
When Liverpool spent £75m on Van Dijk he was a 26 y/o who'd played for the might of Groningen, Celtic, and Southampton. He'd made about a dozen Champions League appearances and that was about it. Did anyone really see him becoming the best CB in the world? I doubt it.
Mac Allister was another. Started in Argentina, played a handful of games for Brighton but didn't really look like much until he had that breakout six-month period after the World Cup in 2022. Liverpool snapped him up but did we see him leading a Premier League-winning midfield two years on? Hm.
And the big one, Salah. He'd shown a bit of promise as a kid at Basel but his move to Chelsea bombed and his reputation in Italy was that he was fast and tricky but that he had a real problem with missing chances. The consensus was that he wouldn't unseat Coutinho as Liverpool's star player.
And of course, Rodri. He'd played at a good level for Villarreal, Atletico, and Spain's youth teams, but even after 18 months here people couldn't see an actual Balon d'Or winner in him. A solid player but hardly what he is now. Point is, you don't know how a signing is gonna be until they pull on the shirt and start playing for you.
BillyShears
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Forest's chairman isn't going to let him go cheap. That is one guarantee.
I don't care. What I care about is whether he is professional, committed, hungry, and willing to improve. I've seen enough from him in the last two seasons and read enough about his professionalism to know that he's someone I want in the squad.
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For the record I wouldn't have taken Grealish on a free transfer let alone 100 million pounds. The warning signs were there with him in terms of the off the pitch stuff.
Not much difference between MGW and Grealish. The only difference was we had a few players who could take the pressure off Grealish even with his overinflated price tag. MGW is being as a replacement for KDB.I don't care. What I care about is whether he is professional, committed, hungry, and willing to improve. I've seen enough from him in the last two seasons and read enough about his professionalism to know that he's someone I want in the squad.
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BillyShears
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Not much difference between MGW and Grealish.
Other than that one is a borderline alcoholic who had a history of being caught out pissed up in public, and the other is by the words of the coach who's known him since he was 17, a professional hard working player who wants to improve every day. Yeah, not much difference there. Now I think you're just deliberately trolling me.
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Sad thing about this place, once fans minds are made up thats it. See Nunes thread Doku, Savinho etc etc.Do you think the recruitment team picked MGW's name out of a tombola?
We're just going to have to agree to disagree until he joins and is a revelation in his first season. Maybe we'll meet again in his Player Performance thread around December. Whether I'm wrong or right I look forward to continuing the discussion around his ability once we've seen him in our team.
The fuckers not even here yet. Dipper like.
BillyShears
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Sad thing about this place, once fans minds are made up thats it. See Nunes thread Doku, Savinho etc etc.
The fuckers not even here yet. Dipper like.
In modern football everyone's a top class scout/analyst rolled into one. There were people who spent five years slagging Sterling and Mahrez off even as they were delivering unbelievable numbers. It's just the nature of certain types of supporters, and use that term very loosely.
If you believe that you need to watch another sport.Not much difference between MGW and Grealish.
Work ethic for one.
Grealish had that. Look at his tracking back vs Liverpool vs Mo Salah.If you believe that you need to watch another sport.
Work ethic for one.
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I suspect some of our supporters are falling prey to recency bias. We have had some notable players come in from smaller PL sides that haven't worked out, so people are convincing themselves MGW is more of the same. Only time will tell...Don't see how signing Gibbs-White is that different to Liverpool signing Van Dijk, Mac Allister, or Salah down the years.
When Liverpool spent £75m on Van Dijk he was a 26 y/o who'd played for the might of Groningen, Celtic, and Southampton. He'd made about a dozen Champions League appearances and that was about it. Did anyone really see him becoming the best CB in the world? I doubt it.
Mac Allister was another. Started in Argentina, played a handful of games for Brighton but didn't really look like much until he had that breakout six-month period after the World Cup in 2022. Liverpool snapped him up but did we see him leading a Premier League-winning midfield two years on? Hm.
And the big one, Salah. He'd shown a bit of promise as a kid at Basel but his move to Chelsea bombed and his reputation in Italy was that he was fast and tricky but that he had a real problem with missing chances. The consensus was that he wouldn't unseat Coutinho as Liverpool's star player.
And of course, Rodri. He'd played at a good level for Villarreal, Atletico, and Spain's youth teams, but even after 18 months here people couldn't see an actual Balon d'Or winner in him. A solid player but hardly what he is now. Point is, you don't know how a signing is gonna be until they pull on the shirt and start playing for you.
Personally, I don't know what the ceiling is for MGW. I am worried about us getting back to winning the PL and trying to win the Champions League again. I don't know if a midfield of Rodri, MGW, and Reijnders gets us there.
No trolling but MGW isn't significantly better than MGW either.Other than that one is a borderline alcoholic who had a history of being caught out pissed up in public, and the other is by the words of the coach who's known him since he was 17, a professional hard working player who wants to improve every day. Yeah, not much difference there. Now I think you're just deliberately trolling me.
Very selective.Grealish had that. Look at his tracking back vs Liverpool
Same. Although inconsistent but Grealish still had his useful games. Even this season. Not excatly what reflected his overall price tag but still very useful.Very selective.
Attitude and self drive have been important factors in buying players and seeing them improve under pep.Other than that one is a borderline alcoholic who had a history of being caught out pissed up in public, and the other is by the words of the coach who's known him since he was 17, a professional hard working player who wants to improve every day. Yeah, not much difference there. Now I think you're just deliberately trolling me.
I think we have let that slip in recent signings.
I put MGW in the category of Gareth Barry and James Milner. Not stand outs but hard workers. You need a mix of that and flair players.