Morgan Gibbs-White

Semper aggressus said:
I know you’re being facetious but we know that people aren’t saying we’ve been shit the last ten years, it’s that we’ve dropped off because our better players are ageing/left and most recent replacements haven’t been of the same standard.

We all want City to get back to the levels we saw when we had Yaya, David Silva, prime Gundogan and KDB, Sané, etc.

Signings like Phillips and Nunes were nowhere near that. MGW is nowhere near that either. We watched while arsenal got Rice.

Plus we still have no full backs.

We need two top class, quick fullbacks (Kerkez? Livramento?) and the very best available attacking midfielder (Wirtz) plus possibly a winger that actually scores goals (Nico Williams? Eze?)

We need ambition and some billy big bollocks transfers. We have the second highest income after Real Madrid - why not spend like that? If we don’t, we’ll have to endure another fucking scouse title next season.
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I am being facetious because so many here seem to be critical of every potential signing barring the odd foreign superstar whom they have probably never seen play.

When we signed Yaya and Silva, they were not what they became. Gundogan signed on the back of severe injury. Sané was playing for Schalke, hardly the top-tier of football, a professional for just two years, and though KDB had torn the roof off in Germany, we were criticised extensively for paying top-dollar for a Chelsea reject.

I do not see a peak Silva or Yaya available in the market. Their peak was with us - we didn't sign what they became.

We give a chance to players we deem as having a chance to reach that level. As it is, we have signed Khusanov and Bah, who have the best U21 stats in the world game for defenders. We signed Reis, captain of Brazil U17. We signed Marmoush who headed the G/A stats in Germany. And we signed Gonzalez who is a known quantity from his time as Barcelona's best youth player. Not everyone in the squad is a world superstar, and no successful squad has 22 of those.

Our squad, when fit, is among the very best, but this season we lost Rodri and Bobb for all of it, KDB, Foden, Doku, Grealish, Stones, Ake, Akanji, and Dias for much of it, and Erling for several weeks of it.
 
The question with MGW is whether he will be able to replace the likes of Kovacic, Bernardo or Gundogan not KDB. I don’t see him reaching the levels of Bernardo and Gundogan at their peak but the current versions, is he any improvement? Is he better than Kovacic? He won’t have Kovacic’s career but he might be a better fit for us now.

I think the signings of Phillips and Nunes have really affected how we rate players. Phillips should’ve been a decent signing but his injuries and lack of any self belief meant he never stood a chance. Nunes is technically excellent but lacks the minerals to make it at the top, he arrived as a back up plan because we had a poor summer window. Grealish had 2 good seasons and 2 poor seasons so he’s been added to the perceived poor signings. He has the ability but doesn’t seem to have the focus needed to maximise his talent.

MGW is likely to join in part because of his nationality as he will likely take Grealish’s spot. Lots of blues are unhappy about it but we need English players to replace Grealish. He definitely has ability the question for me is whether he can step up, can he take the pressure playing at the top level. Will he demand the ball or hide like Phillips? He seems tactically switched on and pretty self confident.
 
- He’s very self confident
- His attitude is fantastic - gives 100pc and demands it from those around him. Hes the ultimate professional. Whilst Yates it’s our official captain, in practice it’s MGW
- super-fit and looks after himself
- When he’s good he’s unplayable, albeit he’s been slightly below par the last few games
- I’m not sure how well he’s suited to being a squad player - he plays 80 minutes+ of most of our games. He also excels at being the main man.
- brilliant at long range passing and dribbling
- one criticism - for a player of his ability he should score more goals.

If City cough up £80m I think the club will accept. We have Elliott Anderson who does much of what MGW does, and we need to spend some money on our attack.

As fans we’ll wish him well assuming the club gets big money and he doesn’t actively force a move.
 
I suspect there will be a number of Real Madrid players deemed surplus to requirements this summer, and I'd be pretty disappointed if we precluded ourselves from signing Camavinga or Tchouameni for £60m because we've paid £100m for MGW.
 
ManchesterForestFan said:
- He’s very self confident
- His attitude is fantastic - gives 100pc and demands it from those around him. Hes the ultimate professional. Whilst Yates it’s our official captain, in practice it’s MGW
- super-fit and looks after himself
- When he’s good he’s unplayable, albeit he’s been slightly below par the last few games
- I’m not sure how well he’s suited to being a squad player - he plays 80 minutes+ of most of our games. He also excels at being the main man.
- brilliant at long range passing and dribbling
- one criticism - for a player of his ability he should score more goals.

If City cough up £80m I think the club will accept. We have Elliott Anderson who does much of what MGW does, and we need to spend some money on our attack.

As fans we’ll wish him well assuming the club gets big money and he doesn’t actively force a move.
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He is not 'unplayable' in any way, shape or form, ever......he's a very average player who runs around alot.......that's why Forest will rip someones hand off for him.
 
southamptonblue said:
He is not 'unplayable' in any way, shape or form, ever......he's a very average player who runs around alot.......that's why Forest will rip someones hand off for him.
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I’m with you but I think that’s a tad too harsh. Ha.
He isn’t bad. He’s just not City standard if we want to be the best in the world again.

He’s a Spurs standard of player.
 
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ManchesterForestFan said:
- He’s very self confident
- His attitude is fantastic - gives 100pc and demands it from those around him. Hes the ultimate professional. Whilst Yates it’s our official captain, in practice it’s MGW
- super-fit and looks after himself
- When he’s good he’s unplayable, albeit he’s been slightly below par the last few games
- I’m not sure how well he’s suited to being a squad player - he plays 80 minutes+ of most of our games. He also excels at being the main man.
- brilliant at long range passing and dribbling
- one criticism - for a player of his ability he should score more goals.

If City cough up £80m I think the club will accept. We have Elliott Anderson who does much of what MGW does, and we need to spend some money on our attack.

As fans we’ll wish him well assuming the club gets big money and he doesn’t actively force a move.
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Thanks for the insight, mate.

Good luck for the rest of the season (as long as it’s not detrimental to City!!)

Hope you pip Chelsea to a CL spot.
 
richards30 said:
Thats why its going to be interesting to see which of Peps favourites gets taken off him and how many newbies or youngsters he will play?
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That isn't the question though, it's how many want to go and we can find clubs that they want to go to. Only then can we know how much room we have in the squad to bring in new players. Pep knows he needs younger players, he knows older players need to leave, he's said that himself. Doesn't mean they want to go.
 
Bluewonder said:
I suspect there will be a number of Real Madrid players deemed surplus to requirements this summer, and I'd be pretty disappointed if we precluded ourselves from signing Camavinga or Tchouameni for £60m because we've paid £100m for MGW.
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Not a chance on earth Madrid are selling either of those two.
 
Mancini’s Pastilles said:
Vianna is not under instructions from pep. Vianna is head of the transfer team he decdies. Pep will be consulted but ultimately it will be hugos say
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Viana is part of a three man transfer committee. Viana deals with clubs and agents. Peps analysts identify the players he wants and Viana's job is to go and get them.

There is not a world in which Pep is going to have players forced onto him.
 
pavelsrnicek said:
Grealish had 2 good seasons and 2 poor seasons so he’s been added to the perceived poor signings.
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Which two seasons was Grealish supposedly good in?


Let’s stop rewriting history here—he never had “two good seasons.” At best, he had a decent three-month spell during the treble-winning year. Some might argue it was six months, but I’m sticking to three. Even during that period, he wasn’t world-class—just solid within a highly functioning system.


Let’s be clear: Grealish is a poor signing. No amount of goalpost-shifting, revisionism, or emotional justification will change that. You can huff and puff all you like—he remains a poor signing.


For the transfer fee paid and the massive salary he’s on, his overall contribution has been minimal, and his influence on matches is virtually non-existent. He doesn’t decide games, doesn’t create fear, and doesn’t elevate the team’s attacking edge and this is someone who's supposedly an attacker!


In fact, we’d have been better off signing a 34-year-old Lionel Messi on a free transfer and handing him £40M a season—at least Messi still offers world-class output and game-winning impact, even in the twilight of his career.


It’s not personal—it’s just the harsh truth: Grealish, for City, has been an underwhelming and overpriced luxury
 
GX Blue said:
I’m with you but I think that’s a tad too harsh. Ha.
He isn’t bad. He’s just not City standard if we want to be the best in the world again.

He’s a Spurs standard of player.
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I agree with the thrust of what you’re saying.

If you’re looking for someone like the old KDB who’s better than what PSG or Real Madrid have, he isn’t at that level. He might get there, but no guarantees, and not if he’s only used as a squad player.

His long range passing really is exceptional though - that’s where there’s a similarity with KDB.
 
blueparrot said:
That isn't the question though, it's how many want to go and we can find clubs that they want to go to. Only then can we know how much room we have in the squad to bring in new players. Pep knows he needs younger players, he knows older players need to leave, he's said that himself. Doesn't mean they want to go.
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Mendes will have the Saudi`s on speed dial but like you say, the players need to want to go there? I still think Bernardo will go, Kovacic and Nunes had Saudi offers last year as well.
 
oldius said:
I am being facetious because so many here seem to be critical of every potential signing barring the odd foreign superstar whom they have probably never seen play.

When we signed Yaya and Silva, they were not what they became. Gundogan signed on the back of severe injury. Sané was playing for Schalke, hardly the top-tier of football, a professional for just two years, and though KDB had torn the roof off in Germany, we were criticised extensively for paying top-dollar for a Chelsea reject.

I do not see a peak Silva or Yaya available in the market. Their peak was with us - we didn't sign what they became.

We give a chance to players we deem as having a chance to reach that level. As it is, we have signed Khusanov and Bah, who have the best U21 stats in the world game for defenders. We signed Reis, captain of Brazil U17. We signed Marmoush who headed the G/A stats in Germany. And we signed Gonzalez who is a known quantity from his time as Barcelona's best youth player. Not everyone in the squad is a world superstar, and no successful squad has 22 of those.

Our squad, when fit, is among the very best, but this season we lost Rodri and Bobb for all of it, KDB, Foden, Doku, Grealish, Stones, Ake, Akanji, and Dias for much of it, and Erling for several weeks of it.
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Ok so on that basis, can you talk us through why we are potentially signing Gibbs-White, in the same way you've talked us through the other signings we've made?
 
Dialog said:
Which two seasons was Grealish supposedly good in?


Let’s stop rewriting history here—he never had “two good seasons.” At best, he had a decent three-month spell during the treble-winning year. Some might argue it was six months, but I’m sticking to three. Even during that period, he wasn’t world-class—just solid within a highly functioning system.


Let’s be clear: Grealish is a poor signing. No amount of goalpost-shifting, revisionism, or emotional justification will change that. You can huff and puff all you like—he remains a poor signing.


For the transfer fee paid and the massive salary he’s on, his overall contribution has been minimal, and his influence on matches is virtually non-existent. He doesn’t decide games, doesn’t create fear, and doesn’t elevate the team’s attacking edge and this is someone who's supposedly an attacker!


In fact, we’d have been better off signing a 34-year-old Lionel Messi on a free transfer and handing him £40M a season—at least Messi still offers world-class output and game-winning impact, even in the twilight of his career.


It’s not personal—it’s just the harsh truth: Grealish, for City, has been an underwhelming and overpriced luxury
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Your name is Dialog?
 
chris85mcfc said:
Ok so on that basis, can you talk us through why we are potentially signing Gibbs-White, in the same way you've talked us through the other signings we've made?
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I don't know if we are potentially signing him, but from the little I have seen him play he has nearly always stood out. He has high levels of energy and determination. He is good on the ball with a good range of passing. He shoots with good accuracy. He has strong G/A stats for his club. He plays nearly 90 every game and is rarely injured.
 
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