MOTD Tonight.

Bluebee2 said:
All you have to do is touch it which Yakubu didn't, same as taking a penalty it doesn't have to leave the penalty spot as Arsenal tried against us a few years back, just a touch and the ball is live.

That's wrong mate
The ball was touched from the penalty, but we were awarded a free kick as the ball didn't travel a whole circumference.

and Vassell's headed goal should have stood in that game

Edit...
After reading the laws of the game, it looks like we were awarded a free kick because the ball didn't travel forward, but I would've put money on as I described above
 
From FIFA's "Laws of the game":

A corner kick is a method of restarting play.

A corner kick is awarded when the whole of the ball passes over the goal
line, either on the ground or in the air, having last touched a player of the
defending team, and a goal is not scored in accordance with Law 10.

A goal may be scored directly from a corner kick, but only against the opposing
team.

Procedure
• The ball must be placed inside the corner arc nearest to the point where
the ball crossed the goal line
• The corner fl agpost must not be moved
• Opponents must remain at least 9.15 m (10 yds) from the corner arc until
the ball is in play
• The ball must be kicked by a player of the attacking team
• The ball is in play when it is kicked and moves
• The kicker must not play the ball again until it has touched another player
 
The Pink Panther said:
Bluebee2 said:
All you have to do is touch it which Yakubu didn't, same as taking a penalty it doesn't have to leave the penalty spot as Arsenal tried against us a few years back, just a touch and the ball is live.

That's wrong mate
The ball was touched from the penalty, but we were awarded a free kick as the ball didn't travel a whole circumference.

and Vassell's headed goal should have stood in that game

Edit...
After reading the laws of the game, it looks like we were awarded a free kick because the ball didn't travel forward, but I would've put money on as I described above

That's right mate, it has to travel forward, but not leave the peanalty mark or a whole circumference, and same goes for the corner.
 
Sad to say Blackburn did cheat with that corner kick....refs fault though for being dumb enough not to notice it.
 
I'd be inclined to agree with PP, with the corner and penalty laws, doesn't 'move' imply rolling one ball's circumference?

Otherwise, you could touch it, it 'roll' forward and then roll back to where it started...would that then count?
 
today's Guardian references the circumference issue
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2011/nov/21/five-things-learned-premier-league" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog ... ier-league</a>

Obviously Blackburn's second goal should never have stood. With the ball having gone out for a corner (and even that was debatable) Yakubu Ayegbeni placed the ball in the quarter-circle and ran into the penalty area; Morten Gamst Pedersen took the kick to himself, ran to the edge of the area and crossed for Junior Hoilett to bundle home. It was a variation on the routine with which Manchester United created what should have been a goal for Cristiano Ronaldo against Chelsea a few years ago, the variation being that they cheated and United did not. Whereas in 2009 Rooney clearly knocked the ball forwards, ensuring that it was in play before Ryan Giggs arrived to peg it into the penalty area, on this occasion Yakubu did no more than put his foot in the vague vicinity of the ball. The television cameras detected no movement.

But something about Roberto Martínez's post-match reaction piqued our interest. "When I saw it live it gave me the impression that he didn't touch it," he said, of Yakubu's involvement. "He meant to touch it but he didn't touch it. But then you see the replays and it's impossible to tell. Unless you've got magic eyes you can't give that decision. In those situations you have to retake the corner."

Our initial reaction was: you've got at least two laws wrong there, Mr Martínez. For a start, retaking the corner was never an option. As the laws of the game state: "If, after the ball is in play, the kicker touches the ball again (except with his hands) before it has touched another player: an indirect free-kick is awarded to the opposing team, to be taken from the place where the infringement occurred (see Law 13 – Position of free-kick)."

Secondly, surely it was abundantly clear that Yakubu had not made the ball move enough. In the scraggy old copy of Rothmans Football Yearbook that happens to be sitting on my desk (1992-93, since you ask), the law governing the taking of corner-kicks states: "Players of the team opposing that of the player taking the corner-kick shall not approach within 10 yards of the ball until it is in play, ie it has travelled the distance of its own circumference, nor shall the kicker play the ball a second time until it has been touched or played by another player." This is the law as I remember it, with the ball having to move "the distance of its own circumference" before it can be considered in play, but someone has gone and changed it. The latest version states that "the ball is in play when it is kicked and moves".

But movement can be very minor indeed, and surely this amendment has made life more difficult for the referee. Even Premier League match officials, who to judge from some of the penalty decisions made this weekend have a few eyesight issues, can discern whether the ball has rolled its full circumference. Nobody can, from a distance, reliably make out the kind of little wobble that could qualify as movement.

Outraged and confused, I called Dermot Gallagher. "The rule changed some time ago," he confirmed. "It's meant to make things easier for the referee, who previously had to work out the ball's circumference." Mission unaccomplished, Fifa law lords. Change it back, sharpish.
 
Cheers for that.

By that article then, the 'wobble' of a ball moving but returning to its original spot is now considered as making the ball live. Crazy IMO.
 
shockin-hocking said:
Shearer just looked too bitter about Newcastle losing to compliment City.

And Hansen's a prick...

what was hansen's sly comment at the end about Bobby Manc saying we are close to Barca and Real, "in his dreams" - more like in your fucking nightmares hansen you meany mouthed ex pundit; its one thing being past it as a player but past it as a pundit is shit - and to think that we the licence fee payers fork out 40K A FUCKING PROGRAMME just for your fee, you useless, biased, muteering has been prick
 

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