MP's 11% Pay Rise - Stop them now!!!!

I think there are more important petitions that are being overlooked

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.change.org/en-GB/petitions/ferrero-stop-making-sexist-kinder-eggs" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.change.org/en-GB/petitions/f ... inder-eggs</a>

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.change.org/en-GB/petitions/mtv-donate-5-of-profits-from-the-valleys-to-local-youth-charity" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.change.org/en-GB/petitions/m ... th-charity</a>

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.change.org/en-GB/petitions/one-direction-onedirection-write-a-song-about-cyberbullying" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.change.org/en-GB/petitions/o ... erbullying</a>
 
Indestructable said:
I think there are more important petitions that are being overlooked

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.change.org/en-GB/petitions/ferrero-stop-making-sexist-kinder-eggs" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.change.org/en-GB/petitions/f ... inder-eggs</a>

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.change.org/en-GB/petitions/mtv-donate-5-of-profits-from-the-valleys-to-local-youth-charity" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.change.org/en-GB/petitions/m ... th-charity</a>

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.change.org/en-GB/petitions/one-direction-onedirection-write-a-song-about-cyberbullying" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.change.org/en-GB/petitions/o ... erbullying</a>

LOL! Well done, are they all Mumsnet saddos I know the Kinder egg one is.
 
Skashion said:
ban-mcfc said:
Why couldn't you make these points before, rather than just write "you chat shit"?

He's a snake in the grass, meeting with all kinds of horrendous dictators and terrorists like the IRA.

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Here he is with Uday...

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Assad...

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"Sir, I salute your courage, your strength, your indefatigability." That's what Galloway said to Hussein.


This article by the late, great Christopher Hitchens...

The mills of justice grind with maddening slowness, but they do at least grind. In October 2005, my friend Denis MacShane, the radical Labor member of Parliament for Rotherham, rose on the floor of the House of Commons to demand a joint inquiry by the British parliament and the U.S. Congress into the financial relationship between George Galloway and the regime of Saddam Hussein in Iraq. This followed the report that month, by the Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations, that presented persuasive evidence showing that Galloway's front organization, a "charity" known as the Mariam Appeal that campaigned against the sanctions on Iraq, had in fact received direct Iraqi subventions from the proceeds of the U.N.-sponsored "Oil for Food" program. Bank records established that Galloway's former wife had been paid at least $150,000 in this way. A completely separate U.N. inquiry chaired by former Federal Reserve Chairman Paul Volcker * identified another "Oil for Food" payment to the same lady, this time in the sum of $120,000.


MacShane's intervention was important, not least because the House of Commons requires its members to declare all sources of outside income. An inquiry was set up, by the Committee on Standards and Privileges, to investigate. It has now produced its report, along with a recommendation that Mr. Galloway apologize to the House and be suspended from Parliament for 18 days. And the findings of the report are even more damning, if that is possible, than the conclusions reached by the Senate and Volcker investigations. In particular, they make reference to the transcript of a meeting between Galloway and Saddam Hussein on Aug. 8, 2002. On that date, Galloway complained to his political master—the man he had saluted in public for his "courage" and "indefatigability"—that certain problems with oil prices were affecting "our income" and "our dues."

This raises two quite serious questions. The first is the extent to which the Iraqi Baath Party was able to purchase direct influence among Western politicians: George Galloway has been a hysterically extremist political thug for a long time, but others more supposedly "respectable," including some important Russian and French politicians and diplomats, may have been sweetened and suborned in the same way. The second has to do with a purely moral issue. The "Oil for Food" program was the means by which the most vulnerable people in Iraq—the children, the sick, and the aged—were supposed to be protected from the effect of sanctions aimed at the regime. To have profited from its abuse or its diversion is therefore somewhat worse than to have accepted a straight-out bribe or inducement from Saddam Hussein. It is to have stolen directly from the neediest and the weakest, in order to finance a propaganda campaign that in turn blamed the West for the avoidable sufferings of Iraqis between 1991 and 2003.

The "anti-war" movement is not blameless in all this. When Galloway came to testify before the Senate and delivered a spittle-fueled harangue instead of answering the direct questions posed to him, he became a populist hero on the Left, was rewarded with a moist profile in the New York Times that praised his general feistiness, and was invited back to the United States to mount a speaking tour in which he repeated his general praise for the heroic "resistance" in Iraq, adding a few well-chosen words in support of the Assad regime in Syria. Praise was showered upon him in the Daily Kos, by columnists in The Nation, and elsewhere. Now we have the sober words of Sir Philip Mawer, the parliamentary commissioner for standards among elected members, who adds to the existing reports and evidence by saying that however much Galloway may have "prevaricated and fudged," the evidence against him is "now undeniable."

I do not think that an 18-day suspension from the House of Commons is anything like enough punishment for what Galloway has done, first on behalf of a sadistic and genocidal megalomaniac and second to steal food and medicine from the mouths of desperate Iraqis. We ran into each other a few times on his debate-tour, and on the last occasion on which we exchanged views, when he told me that he would never debate with me again (which he has since consistently refused to do), I told him that we were not done with each other. I would, I told him, be waiting to write a review of his prison diaries. The Senate subcommittee referred his "false and misleading" statements under oath (a crime under 18 USC Section 1001) to the Department of Justice in November 2005. Prosecutors in Manhattan (location of the banks through which some of the shady transfers were made) have also been handed the relevant papers. And the evidence adduced by the House of Commons must necessarily be considered by Scotland Yard, because it goes far beyond the damage done to the honor of Parliament. In the meantime, it will be interesting to discover whether Galloway's former wife, or the associates of his campaign who also received "Oil for Food" money, ever declared the income or paid any tax on it. And if I was the editor of the Daily Telegraph in London, whose printed documents about Galloway appear to have been vindicated by the parliamentary inquiry, I would want to revisit the judgment for libel that Galloway astonishingly managed to win, even under a notoriously oppressive law, in an English court. His troubles are only now beginning.

Just look at the gang that strove to prevent the United Nations from enforcing its library of resolutions on Saddam Hussein. Where are they now? Gerhard Schroeder, ex-chancellor of Germany, has gone straight to work for a Russian oil-and-gas consortium. Vladimir Putin, master of such consortia and their manipulation, is undisguised in his thirst to re-establish a one-party state. Jacques Chirac, who only avoided prosecution for corruption by getting himself immunized by re-election (and who had Saddam's sons as his personal guests while in office, and built Saddam Hussein a nuclear reactor while knowing what he wanted it for), is now undergoing some unpleasant interviews with the Paris police. So is his cynical understudy Dominique de Villepin, once the glamour-boy of the "European" school of diplomacy without force. What a crew! Galloway is the most sordid of this group because he managed to be a pimp for, as well as a prostitute of, one of the foulest dictatorships of modern times. But the taint of collusion and corruption extends much further than his pathetic figure, and one day, slowly but surely, we shall find out the whole disgusting thing.
Indeed he met them, no-one denies that he did. He hasn't been exposed like you think. His famous quote to Saddam was on Iraqi state TV, it's not a home video. Meeting someone does not make you a mate of them and exchanging diplomatic pleasantries doesn't either. If they did, every single US President has been mates with every Soviet Premier during the Cold War. Regardless, once again, let's assume they were mates, prove that is the reason he opposed the Iraq war. That is what you said, that is what you need to support with evidence.

You should try checking out my views on Hitchens, a never-ending apologist for the Iraq war supported. I do not consider him great in any way, shape or form. Even so, what does Hitchens write about? Just moans like fuck that Galloway was not found guilty of anything AND that he WON ALL his libel actions in doing so proving numerous of the documents to be forgeries.

Here's some other views of the late great Hitchen:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKanfCXD8Yw[/youtube]

I have another point to make but I will save it until later. First, I want to see you prove or support in any way your statement that Galloway opposed the war only because he was mates with Saddam. C'mon let's see some causation, not correlation.

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Galloway wasn't a president or prime minister though. What was he doing there sucking up to a tyrannical regime? He may not have been "mates" with him he certainly more than just entertained his company. He's never been the leader of a country yet was seen in the company of horrid, murdering, dictators so often? He told Saddam that "many families are naming their new-born sons after him", he appears to go the extra mile, rather just being polite in someone's company. Galloway also dismissed the QC saying that 5,000 had been killed and 12,000 died afterward in the Iraqi regime's chemical attack on the Kurdish city of Halabja, why?

I don't think we should have gone into the middle east and I'm certainly no Blair/Bush apologist, it was an illegal war after all. Saddam needed taking out though but the effect the war has had has been negative. However at the time many people thought removing Saddam would be good for Irag.

Hitchens had a lot of contact with the Kurds and I think his stance on wanting the Hussein family gone is a noble one. Also his views on religion, in my opinion, are spot on and that's what I admire him most for.

I cannot see your video due to no sound so I cannot comment on that.
 
ban-mcfc said:
Skashion said:
ban-mcfc said:
Why couldn't you make these points before, rather than just write "you chat shit"?

He's a snake in the grass, meeting with all kinds of horrendous dictators and terrorists like the IRA.

6a00d83451586c69e200e54f7286568833-800wi.jpg


_41137517_galloway_saddam_ap.jpg


Here he is with Uday...

images


Assad...

PA-2515194.jpg


"Sir, I salute your courage, your strength, your indefatigability." That's what Galloway said to Hussein.


This article by the late, great Christopher Hitchens...
Indeed he met them, no-one denies that he did. He hasn't been exposed like you think. His famous quote to Saddam was on Iraqi state TV, it's not a home video. Meeting someone does not make you a mate of them and exchanging diplomatic pleasantries doesn't either. If they did, every single US President has been mates with every Soviet Premier during the Cold War. Regardless, once again, let's assume they were mates, prove that is the reason he opposed the Iraq war. That is what you said, that is what you need to support with evidence.

You should try checking out my views on Hitchens, a never-ending apologist for the Iraq war supported. I do not consider him great in any way, shape or form. Even so, what does Hitchens write about? Just moans like fuck that Galloway was not found guilty of anything AND that he WON ALL his libel actions in doing so proving numerous of the documents to be forgeries.

Here's some other views of the late great Hitchen:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKanfCXD8Yw[/youtube]

I have another point to make but I will save it until later. First, I want to see you prove or support in any way your statement that Galloway opposed the war only because he was mates with Saddam. C'mon let's see some causation, not correlation.

PiratesVsTemp.png

Galloway wasn't a president or prime minister though. What was he doing there sucking up to a tyrannical regime? He may not have been "mates" with him he certainly more than just entertained his company. He's never been the leader of a country yet was seen in the company of horrid, murdering, dictators so often? He told Saddam that "many families are naming their new-born sons after him", he appears to go the extra mile, rather just being polite in someone's company. Galloway also dismissed the QC saying that 5,000 had been killed and 12,000 died afterward in the Iraqi regime's chemical attack on the Kurdish city of Halabja, why?

I don't think we should have gone into the middle east and I'm certainly no Blair/Bush apologist, it was an illegal war after all. Saddam needed taking out though but the effect the war has had has been negative. However at the time many people thought removing Saddam would be good for Irag.

Hitchens had a lot of contact with the Kurds and I think his stance on wanting the Hussein family gone is a noble one. Also his views on religion, in my opinion, are spot on and that's what I admire him most for.

I cannot see your video due to no sound so I cannot comment on that.

I'll summarise for you, Hitchens praised Saddam in 1976.

here is a link. You may to wish to read it you may not ;)

http://www.newstatesman.com/society/2007/07/iraq-arab-saddam-iran-hitchens
 
Paul Lake's Left Knee said:
ban-mcfc said:
Markt85 said:
Many thousands, especially when he was one of a few MPs to take a stand against the invasion of Iraq

He was against the Irag war for the wrong reasons, because he was mates with Saddam Hussein. How anyone could be friendly with that evil **** is beyond me.

-- Wed Nov 27, 2013 8:13 pm --

Paul Lake's Left Knee said:
11% isnt that much, i'm shocked they arent going for more, i mean what is the point of being a career politician if you cant line your own pocket here or there?

I remember when politicians used to have real careers before becoming an MP, not like the Oxbridge types we have running each of the main political parties these days.

It's funny when people make these types of comments... Would you prefer Dave from Ashton who knows a bit of DIY or somebody who has studied politics at one of the countries leading institutions?

I would prefer the leading parties to look, act and sound different. Why shouldnt Dave from Ashton be an MP?
We could do with more "Dave from Ashton" as MP's
 
Rocket-footed kolarov said:
ban-mcfc said:
Skashion said:
Indeed he met them, no-one denies that he did. He hasn't been exposed like you think. His famous quote to Saddam was on Iraqi state TV, it's not a home video. Meeting someone does not make you a mate of them and exchanging diplomatic pleasantries doesn't either. If they did, every single US President has been mates with every Soviet Premier during the Cold War. Regardless, once again, let's assume they were mates, prove that is the reason he opposed the Iraq war. That is what you said, that is what you need to support with evidence.

You should try checking out my views on Hitchens, a never-ending apologist for the Iraq war supported. I do not consider him great in any way, shape or form. Even so, what does Hitchens write about? Just moans like fuck that Galloway was not found guilty of anything AND that he WON ALL his libel actions in doing so proving numerous of the documents to be forgeries.

Here's some other views of the late great Hitchen:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKanfCXD8Yw[/youtube]

I have another point to make but I will save it until later. First, I want to see you prove or support in any way your statement that Galloway opposed the war only because he was mates with Saddam. C'mon let's see some causation, not correlation.

PiratesVsTemp.png

Galloway wasn't a president or prime minister though. What was he doing there sucking up to a tyrannical regime? He may not have been "mates" with him he certainly more than just entertained his company. He's never been the leader of a country yet was seen in the company of horrid, murdering, dictators so often? He told Saddam that "many families are naming their new-born sons after him", he appears to go the extra mile, rather just being polite in someone's company. Galloway also dismissed the QC saying that 5,000 had been killed and 12,000 died afterward in the Iraqi regime's chemical attack on the Kurdish city of Halabja, why?

I don't think we should have gone into the middle east and I'm certainly no Blair/Bush apologist, it was an illegal war after all. Saddam needed taking out though but the effect the war has had has been negative. However at the time many people thought removing Saddam would be good for Irag.

Hitchens had a lot of contact with the Kurds and I think his stance on wanting the Hussein family gone is a noble one. Also his views on religion, in my opinion, are spot on and that's what I admire him most for.

I cannot see your video due to no sound so I cannot comment on that.

I'll summarise for you, Hitchens praised Saddam in 1976.

here is a link. You may to wish to read it you may not ;)

http://www.newstatesman.com/society/2007/07/iraq-arab-saddam-iran-hitchens

The English football side Nazi-saluted in 1937, what's your point?
 
ban-mcfc said:
Rocket-footed kolarov said:
ban-mcfc said:
Galloway wasn't a president or prime minister though. What was he doing there sucking up to a tyrannical regime? He may not have been "mates" with him he certainly more than just entertained his company. He's never been the leader of a country yet was seen in the company of horrid, murdering, dictators so often? He told Saddam that "many families are naming their new-born sons after him", he appears to go the extra mile, rather just being polite in someone's company. Galloway also dismissed the QC saying that 5,000 had been killed and 12,000 died afterward in the Iraqi regime's chemical attack on the Kurdish city of Halabja, why?

I don't think we should have gone into the middle east and I'm certainly no Blair/Bush apologist, it was an illegal war after all. Saddam needed taking out though but the effect the war has had has been negative. However at the time many people thought removing Saddam would be good for Irag.

Hitchens had a lot of contact with the Kurds and I think his stance on wanting the Hussein family gone is a noble one. Also his views on religion, in my opinion, are spot on and that's what I admire him most for.

I cannot see your video due to no sound so I cannot comment on that.

I'll summarise for you, Hitchens praised Saddam in 1976.

here is a link. You may to wish to read it you may not ;)

http://www.newstatesman.com/society/2007/07/iraq-arab-saddam-iran-hitchens

The English football side Nazi-saluted in 1937, what's your point?

But you kicked off this whole debate by saying Galloway was a friend of Saddam. That point is absurd, one was one of "polite obedience", Hitchens had no need or expectation to write that article. Hitchens also claimed not to have changed his (way of) thinking, maybe he didn't. Both Hitchens brothers were Marxists one found Jesus the other America, Christopher Hitchen's former cause of global Communist vanguardism was simply switched to that of anglobalisation imperialism. Just admit when you are in the wrong, people might think more of you.
 
Rocket-footed kolarov said:
ban-mcfc said:
Rocket-footed kolarov said:
I'll summarise for you, Hitchens praised Saddam in 1976.

here is a link. You may to wish to read it you may not ;)

http://www.newstatesman.com/society/2007/07/iraq-arab-saddam-iran-hitchens

The English football side Nazi-saluted in 1937, what's your point?

But you kicked off this whole debate by saying Galloway was a friend of Saddam. That point is absurd, one was one of "polite obedience", Hitchens had no need or expectation to write that article. Hitchens also claimed not to have changed his (way of) thinking, maybe he didn't. Both Hitchens brothers were Marxists one found Jesus the other America, Christopher Hitchen's former cause of global Communist vanguardism was simply switched to that of anglobalisation imperialism. Just admit when you are in the wrong, people might think more of you.


I used the term "mate" which was loose. He was certainly an apologist and a kiss arse.

To condemn Hitchens because of his brothers is absurd as he profoundly disagreed with Peter (however I know little about the other). He also admitted to switching from left to right so to say he claimed he didn't change his way of thinking is also incorrect.

He also later admitted that whilst he was a socialist and journalist in London the Unions were heavily corrupted, not that we needed telling!
 
ban-mcfc said:
Rocket-footed kolarov said:
ban-mcfc said:
The English football side Nazi-saluted in 1937, what's your point?

But you kicked off this whole debate by saying Galloway was a friend of Saddam. That point is absurd, one was one of "polite obedience", Hitchens had no need or expectation to write that article. Hitchens also claimed not to have changed his (way of) thinking, maybe he didn't. Both Hitchens brothers were Marxists one found Jesus the other America, Christopher Hitchen's former cause of global Communist vanguardism was simply switched to that of anglobalisation imperialism. Just admit when you are in the wrong, people might think more of you.


I used the term "mate" which was loose. He was certainly an apologist and a kiss arse.

To condemn Hitchens because of his brothers is absurd as he profoundly disagreed with Peter (however I know little about the other). He also admitted to switching from left to right so to say he claimed he didn't change his way of thinking is also incorrect.

He also later admitted that whilst he was a socialist and journalist in London the Unions were heavily corrupted, not that we needed telling!

I am not condemning him for his brother I am merely making a point, Hitchen's claimed to be an atheist and a secularist, the irony is that (if he truly believed in what he was saying) he never was first a Marxist and then a Neocon follower of the "state religion".

Hitchen's never truly admitted to being on the right, he said it was an incorrect cliche in the Paxman interview and admitted to still thinking like a Marxist. Hitchens condemned people like Chomsky and Galloway for their views, but as far as I am aware Chomsky was always opposed to Marxism and Galloway was one of the earliest critics of Saddam Hussein. Did you bother to read that article from '76? Because he actually plays down the Kurds treatment by Iraq and lays the blame at the US, no doubt decades later he wrote of them as liberators.
 
Unless Saddam, Christopher Hitchens or Jesus* (which incidentally are all dead) have a view on MP's 11% pay rise, then I don't really get what they're doing in this thread.

*disclaimer on Jesus as the jury's still out on that one.
 

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