Mr Bates vs the Post Office

[ganganvince]

Just how did Adam Crozier (former head of the FA then subsquently chairmsn of ITV before his current junket at BT), avoid being in the Mr Bates drama. The Post Office was, after all, part of the Royal Mail when the scandal began...

https://archive.ph/WdocG

As the program was made for ITV its possible he still has influence.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Not seen this yet, but I will.

Had some dealings with all this on one occasion, very much on the periphery.

A guy from the Post Office looked me in the eye and told me that the system was fine, and I told him he was talking bullshit and to open his eyes.

Anyone looking at this objectively could only point to the accounting system as being the most likely reason. The system working meaning all these previously honest people turning into tea leaves as soon as they become Postmasters.

You’d have to be insane to believe that.

What happened to those people was criminal but I’m not sure a criminal threshold of proof was passed.

So hope I’m wrong.

Terrible business.

 

[BlueAnorak]

As the program was made for ITV its possible he still has influence.

Nail. Head.

 

[Tommy_Catons_Perm]

I've always firmly believed that anyone who makes it to the position of a large corporate CEO, especially a serial CEO at numerous different corporations, is effectively a psychopath.

Normal, non-psychopathic people just simply don't possess that ruthless and insatiable drive and desire to have power and control over so many other people's lives along with a craving for the recognition and authority that comes with it.

Despite the obscene financial renumeration that these CEO's receive its not actually about the money for them, it's all about satisfying their personal lust for power, control, status and recognition.

Exactly what I meant. Very eloquently explained.

 

[Gorton_Tubster]

Not seen this yet, but I will.

Had some dealings with all this on one occasion, very much on the periphery.

A guy from the Post Office looked me in the eye and told me that the system was fine, and I told him he was talking bullshit and to open his eyes.

Anyone looking at this objectively could only point to the accounting system as being the most likely reason. The system working meaning all these previously honest people turning into tea leaves as soon as they become Postmasters.

You’d have to be insane to believe that.

What happened to those people was criminal but I’m not sure a criminal threshold of proof was passed.

So hope I’m wrong.

Terrible business.

For me its not just about criminal activity of their actions, its the lack of care, the lack of trying to check their own systems for errors. And then afterwards the attacks upon subpostmasters and what they were saying, not wanting to pay compensation, not actually clearing up the final remaining cases.

The rules they operate under (In my experience) are archaic, they treat their staff, customers, mail/parcels with contempt, as if we should count ourselves lucky they deliver stuff for us. Their police force, investigations team, still think they are working for the queen/king and treat staff/customers as such.

For me its been one of the shoddiest businesses I have worked for where things are literally held together by elastic bands. Yet staff are held to account if we dont deliver. Dont get me wrong, I love my job but its been an eye opener working for them.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

For me its not just about criminal activity of their actions, its the lack of care, the lack of trying to check their own systems for errors. And then afterwards the attacks upon subpostmasters and what they were saying, not wanting to pay compensation, not actually clearing up the final remaining cases.

The rules they operate under (In my experience) are archaic, they treat their staff, customers, mail/parcels with contempt, as if we should count ourselves lucky they deliver stuff for us. Their police force, investigations team, still think they are working for the queen/king and treat staff/customers as such.

For me its been one of the shoddiest businesses I have worked for where things are literally held together by elastic bands. Yet staff are held to account if we dont deliver. Dont get me wrong, I love my job but its been an eye opener working for them.

Yes, I know what a rewarding role it can be, and where it places you in the local community.

One of the most despicable things is that many of these people were the very best of us. Hard working, community focused, entrepreneurial and honest.

As you say it was the attitude after things started unravelling that was even more reprehensible than what went before it.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

I've always firmly believed that anyone who makes it to the position of a large corporate CEO, especially a serial CEO at numerous different corporations, is effectively a psychopath.

Normal, non-psychopathic people just simply don't possess that ruthless and insatiable drive and desire to have power and control over so many other people's lives along with a craving for the recognition and authority that comes with it.

Despite the obscene financial renumeration that these CEO's receive its not actually about the money for them, it's all about satisfying their personal lust for power, control, status and recognition.

I think this is about right.

That said, it’s probably better having them doing that than living in dark attics and committing mass murder.

 

[jacko74]

I think this is about right.

That said, it’s probably better having them doing that than living in dark attics and committing mass murder.

Thats the common misconception about psychopaths, even the ones that are murderers.... they're far from all being social misfits and loners sat howling in the dark corner of their basements.

They're far more likely to be people who want to be in positions of authority and respectability due to their desire for power, control, recognition etc.

As I mentioned previously the PO CEO was directly responsible for driving people to commit suicide and utterly destroying the lives of many other people and their families, all whilst holding a position in the clergy as well as her corporate role... to all intents and purposes she was another Shipman, just without the actual hands on murdering.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Thats the common misconception about psychopaths, even the ones that are murderers.... they're far from all being social misfits and loners sat howling in the dark corner of their basements.

They're far more likely to be people who want to be in positions of authority and respectability due to their desire for power, control, recognition etc.

As I mentioned previously the PO CEO was directly responsible for driving people to commit suicide and utterly destroying the lives of many other people and their families, all whilst holding a position in the clergy as well as her corporate role... to all intents and purposes she was another Shipman, just without the actual hands on murdering.

Yeah, I wasn’t being entirely serious mate! Should have put an exclamation mark tbf.

I’m well aware thst plenty of psychopaths have well developed social skills.

Not quite with you on the last part, but that doesn’t mean I have anything but contempt for her.

 

[jacko74]

Yeah, I wasn’t being entirely serious mate! Should have put an exclamation mark tbf.

I’m well aware thst plenty of psychopaths have well developed social skills.

Not quite with you on the last part, but that doesn’t mean I have anything but contempt for her.

Why can't you agree with the final part?

She was a person held in the highest regard not only in the corporate world but also in the church... yet she was knowingly and directly responsible for driving people to kill themselves, as well utterly destroying the lives of many more people and their families.

Other than she didn't actually do the killing 'hands on' herself I don't see any difference at all between the levels of evilness between her and Shipman.