Mr Bates vs the Post Office

bluethrunthru said:
Vennels lied to Parliament - perjury - a number of "investigators" have lied on oath - perjury - people from Fujitsu lied in evidence - perjury - there are many people who need to be put before a court
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I'm not disagreeing with any of that.

I've already made similar comments. It's not just perjury it's an extensive fraud.

She's the sort of **** who should get handed a revolver with one bullet in it.

But you have been told numerous times that the post office was never privatised.

If it wasn't a state owned company they'd have probably already imploded.
 
Mr Kobayashi said:
As has been explained to you several times already. The post office is 100% owned by the UK government.

POST OFFICE LIMITED persons with significant control - Find and update company information - GOV.UK

POST OFFICE LIMITED - Free company information from Companies House including registered office address, filing history, accounts, annual return, officers, charges, business activity
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anywhere that you go into and are asked to place your right hand on a bible ( or indeed the Holy Book of your choice) and swear to tell the truth that is the basic requirement - so many have been revealed to have done that and lied then charges NOT being preferred is a failure of justice.
 
Mr Kobayashi said:
I'm not disagreeing with any of that.

I've already made similar comments. It's not just perjury it's an extensive fraud.

She's the sort of **** who should get handed a revolver with one bullet in it.

But you have been told numerous times that the post office was never privatised.

If it wasn't a state owned company they'd have probably already imploded.
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Yeah - and I have made it clear I was referring to PO Management like Vennels - investigators and Fujitsu staff - maybe you think that working for a state owned exempts you from perjury?
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
Why are so many Christians such irredeemable cunts?
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Because it's not about following the teachings it's more to do with getting permission to put yourself on a pedestal and looking down on others.

It's like a Jehovah's witness preaching pacifism and then going home and beating his wife.
 
bluethrunthru said:
Yeah - and I have made it clear I was referring to PO Management like Vennels - investigators and Fujitsu staff - maybe you think that working for a state owned exempts you from perjury?
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You think being the the Post office being run directly by the Tory government since 2010 would have prevented this?

Are you smoking crack ?
 
Mr Kobayashi said:
You think being the the Post office being run directly by the Tory government since 2010 would have prevented this?

Are you smoking crack ?
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I have as much idea as you have. None.

I am talking about lying on oath. In my career there were numerous times I was a witness in liability and fraud cases. The point made to you by the employers legal team and depending where you are the barrister engaged is simple - " we don't know what they are going to ask you but we cannot emphasise enough just tell the truth. You will swear on the bible to do so which is why you tell the truth ( most times written statements had gone in and were part of evidence disclosure ) because if you try and deviate 1 degree because you think it makes your case looks better they will be all over you. And lying opens you up to charges of perjury" There are numerous cases of this occurring on the PO side.

I don't smoke anything.
 
bluethrunthru said:
I have as much idea as you have. None.

I am talking about lying on oath. In my career there were numerous times I was a witness in liability and fraud cases. The point made to you by the employers legal team and depending where you are the barrister engaged is simple - " we don't know what they are going to ask you but we cannot emphasise enough just tell the truth. You will swear on the bible to do so which is why you tell the truth ( most times written statements had gone in and were part of evidence disclosure ) because if you try and deviate 1 degree because you think it makes your case looks better they will be all over you. And lying opens you up to charges of perjury" There are numerous cases of this occurring on the PO side.

I don't smoke anything.
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Mr Kobayashi said:
Unless she does a Piers Morgan act (I do not recall), which seems impossible with the recordings, I doubt she will be appearing in person.

This woman needs to be prosecuted to the maximum. Conspiracy to defraud, fraud, perjury.

The whole lot.
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Blue Mist said:
Do you intend to argue with everyone tonight or just a few selected at random ?
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Only people who respond to a post by answering a question that wasn't asked.

i.e. - Vennels committed perjury
answer - the PO sole shareholder is HM Govt.

Sometimes on here its like

I am a fan of FIAT cars
answer - are you a vegan?

There is such a disconnect
 
bluethrunthru said:
Only people who respond to a post by answering a question that wasn't asked.

i.e. - Vennels committed perjury
answer - the PO sole shareholder is HM Govt.

Sometimes on here its like

I am a fan of FIAT cars
answer - are you a vegan?

There is such a disconnect
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Bizarre response. The question (which was expressly and unequivocally posed) was:

Why are so many Christians such irredeemable cunts?
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It’s a perfectly legitimate question. Some of the most ‘unchristian’ people I have encountered have been Christians. In fact the most selfish man I have ever met is a practising Catholic. Goes to mass every Sunday. He’s a ****, although quite entertaining company when he wants to be.

I find it both strange and noteworthy that people who actively promote and practise a particular belief system can live their lives in a way that is so incongruous with its widely stated values.

I think the point you have raised about it merely being a manifestation of the powerful exercising power over the weak is a gross simplification - it is far more complex than that and reveals a more nuanced, unappealing trait of human nature, rooted in a lack of self-awareness and hypocrisy, and goes some way to explain why we are basically fucked as a species.
 
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What I don't understand is how we've not seen a single picture of the **** since this whole thing started. When a minor celebrity has a faux pas, there's an army of journalists camped outside their house for months. With someone who's actually caused major harm, all we get is "Paula Vennells didn't respond to our request."
 
I'm With Stupid said:
What I don't understand is how we've not seen a single picture of the **** since this whole thing started. When a minor celebrity has a faux pas, there's an army of journalists camped outside their house for months. With someone who's actually caused major harm, all we get is "Paula Vennells didn't respond to our request."
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I guess it’s possible she’s had Huw Edwards type breakdown and has been committed to an institution. I think that would provide reasonable grounds for that approach. Don’t think the press would otherwise leave her alone given the level of public interest (in both senses of the word) in this case. Edwards’ status was released by his wife iirc, as I don’t think such a thing is liable to be published. Like many senior people who put on a front I suspect she’s actually quite fragile and tbf no one could have predicted this level of public attention and opprobrium.

Nobody deserves such a fate, of course, but it’s hard to shake off the view that she has brought all this upon herself.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
I guess it’s possible she’s had Huw Edwards type breakdown and has been committed to an institution. I think that would provide reasonable grounds for that approach. Don’t think the press would otherwise leave her alone given the level of public interest (in both senses of the word) in this case. Edwards’ status was released by his wife iirc, as I don’t think such a thing is liable to be published. Like many senior people who put on a front I suspect she’s actually quite fragile and tbf no one could have predicted this level of public attention and opprobrium.

Nobody deserves such a fate, of course, but it’s hard to shake off the view that she has brought all this upon herself.
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Well yeah, I'm not saying there's anything to gain from harassing people (even if they deserve contempt), just find it strange that they haven't.
 
Horizon scandal number 438 now happening.
It seems Royal Mail soft ware reads the barcode on a stamp. The software is now identifying loads of 'counterfeit' stamps. This forces the public to pay a £5 fine to get their mail.
The problem is many can show they bought the stamps from a Post Office.
The P.O. state their software is perfect and have even stated the Post Master could be the crook !
Meanwhile they carry on raking it in, a £1 for the stamp and £5 to collect your letter from a sorting office.
 
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