Nasri praying

[SWP's back]

I doubt that Nasri, Džeko, YaYa or Kolo would take any notice of that.

It was for Paul who does as he was talking about "their God" when there is no such thing according to his religion.

It would have been very poor English to replace "their" with "my".

C'mon seriously ...

"Whether its public or private, sincere or not is between the person and my God".

Thats ridiculous.

This is why you can't break through to a better understanding.

So silly of you all to have wars over which way to worship your (same) God isn't it.

 

[pauldominic]

I wouldn't say they are deviating from the norm at all.

What percentage of footballers make visible gestures of religious prayer during a match then? Anything approaching a percentage that could be considered 'the norm'? No chance.

I've no idea what percentage it is. What you have to realise however is that the premiership attracts players from all over the world of all persuasions these days. Back in the '70s it was composed of players from England, Scotland, Ireland and Wales.

Also, why should football matches be separated from the rest of human life?

Is it to protect the sensitivities of people like you and Sooty?

What percentage of footballers who are 'believers' make the gestures? Well, we don't have stats on that but given that it is pretty noticeable when players do it and people can name someone as 'someone who does that prayer thing' I'd suggest that it isn't particularly wide spread. Even if only considering 'believers.'

It really doesn't matter one way or the other. Perhaps its because some people go looking for it.

I certainly wouldn't call them gestures.

Public expressions of faith are perfectly normal and always have been.

Not during something as banal as a football match they aren't. And if you can name me five players who were doing it in Division One in the 70s and 80s I'll eat my hat. I doubt you could even do it for the 90s.

See my point above. Football can't be separated from human life and is part of the social history of the Uk.

You can form your own judgment as can anyone but what really matters is whether God hears the prayer.

So why the decision to make a show of it?

Football is intensely emotional for all people as is religious belief.

It's nothing to do with volume either but the sincerity of the person.

Well, quite obviously, those doing it at sporting events in a visible manner obviously disagree with you and think that the volume/public nature is important. Otherwise, what explanation can you offer for making the decision to not undertake personal and private prayer in surroundings that are about as far removed from a religious setting as you can get?

Public and private expressions of faith both have their place.

I don't think they disagree with me at all. You have formed one Judgment and I have formed another.

Frank Lampard's goal celebrations started after his Mum died.

I'm not forming any judgment about his sincerity or thinking at all.

 

[pauldominic]

It was for Paul who does as he was talking about "their God" when there is no such thing according to his religion.

It would have been very poor English to replace "their" with "my".

C'mon seriously ...

"Whether its public or private, sincere or not is between the person and my God".

Thats ridiculous.

This is why you can't break through to a better understanding.

So silly of you all to have wars over which way to worship your (same) God isn't it.

I can hear ghostly echoes of pominoz blaming religion for so many of life's issues and the proud proclamation that as education increases, religion will decline.

You have to take a broader view.

As I've said before, always be suspicious of people on any side who hold black and white points of view.

 

[SWP's back]

It would have been very poor English to replace "their" with "my".

C'mon seriously ...

"Whether its public or private, sincere or not is between the person and my God".

Thats ridiculous.

This is why you can't break through to a better understanding.

So silly of you all to have wars over which way to worship your (same) God isn't it.

I can hear ghostly echoes of pominoz blaming religion for so many of life's issues and the proud proclamation that as education increases, religion will decline.

You have to take a broader view.

As I've said before, always be suspicious of people on any side who hold black and white points of view.

Or men who wear black and white and abstain from sex (with women)

 

[MangoMagic01]

For what is supposed to be a personal belief, there are a lot of football players who wish to make a very public show of it.

They are asking for God's blessing (or even worse, help with the scoreline) regarding a game of football? If God exists, would he really give a fuck about a game of football (apart from the fact that he is obviously blue)?

Have insignificant does a match have to be before they don't need to pray about it?

Or how insignificant does the action have to be? Getting some milk out of the fridge? Getting in the car in the morning? Have a bit of a pray about it first?

I have no problem with anyone's religion but I reckon there is something a bit needy about people who wish to make a public show of it. And if they are saying that it is a sign of their great faith, are they saying that those believers who don't quite visably do 19 Hail Marys or something before a game aren't as true a believer?

Load of shite and, quite frankly, in my opinion, for many players has become something that they view almost as a fashion statement or something that they think 'looks good'. See Daniel Sturridge who has taken to shutting his eyes and pointing to the sky every time he comes on. Would he have been doing this 10 years ago if he were in exactly the same circumstances? Would he fuck as it wasn't fashionable then.

You are literally a donkey. As a Muslim that's exactly what you're supposed to do - a little prayer before you eat, before you drive somewhere, before you get on a football field, not to beg for success, but to Thank God for the opportunity and ask for blessings upon your safety!

Well, where to start with this one?

Firstly, it is quite clear that my post was not in reference to any particular religion. It was relating to visible 'look at me' displays of a religious nature. Of any persuasion.

You choose to make it about Islam. But that's ok. Players visible worshiping Allah are part of the discussion so if you want to narrow it down to one religion, fair enough.

But, let's get it straight. Your argument is utter shite.

If, as you claim, every minute action by a Muslim is preceded by a prayer, perhaps you might explain why I do not see dozens of people every day, getting down to prayer in the middle of the street before they cross the road. On their driveway, having a pray before they get in the car. In the office gesturing about in prayer before they turn their PC on.

I don't and you don't. And anyone who says that they see doxens of Muslims every day visible precededing most of the things they do with a VISIBLE prayer is a liar.

That is the comparison I am making. It is quite possible, whatever your religion, to say a prayer and not a single person would be any the wiser. People do it in all sorts of circumstances, every day.

Yet footballers have become so self obsessed and so image conscious about their every little action that they have taken, in ridiculous numbers compared to only a few years ago, to making a show of their religion (whatever it is) on the pitch.

Are they more religious or pious than their predecessors? I doubt it. Are they better followers of their religion than people who don't make very public shows of it in the most visible way possible? No. Are they better followers of their religion than their colleagues of the same religion who don't make a VISIBLE show of their 'praying' before a game? Probably not.

What they are is desperate to be seen doing the action in a very public forum. At best it is because they wish to send a message. At worst it is because they think it looks good.

Neither has any place in a game of football, which is a game that, whilst not excluding anyone, has nothing to do with religion and does not need the nonsense and division that goes hand in hand with it being associated with the game. They could quite easily pray to whoever they want in a personal and dignified manner. But, no. clowns like Hernandez want to out do every one in their mad poses, making sure that it is as noticeable as possible. Not for him the dignity of solemn prayer and reflection. No, it's not visible enough for his liking and wouldn't get people noticing his beliefs.

They are keen to make the observance of their beliefs part of the game and for their individual beliefs to be thrust to the forefront (even if it is a small way, what other reason is there for making visible prayer gestures?), ahead of the beliefs of others involved in the game who choose not to make public displays.

So, perhaps, given your penchant for claiming that many people say a prayer before every mundane action they undertake during the day, you might want to offer up thanks to someone before the next time you press 'post'. Someone up above might take notice and edit the bollocks out of what you have written (or at least explain what literally means)

What are you talking about, you just hurt my head you imbecile. There's the ritual of praying 5 times a day where you go through set movements and then there is Dua'a - a prayer in your head or with raised hands, which could be short as three words, which is why atheist dogs like you don't notice Muslims gettin on their hands and knees 20 times a day. You also do not have to do it, especially not with every step - just when it is significant, eg. when you're eating because while you may have food there are many people starving.

Who are you to tell me or Nasri about our religion anyways .. beat it you redneck gronk

 

[Barcon]

You are literally a donkey. As a Muslim that's exactly what you're supposed to do - a little prayer before you eat, before you drive somewhere, before you get on a football field, not to beg for success, but to Thank God for the opportunity and ask for blessings upon your safety!

Well, where to start with this one?

Firstly, it is quite clear that my post was not in reference to any particular religion. It was relating to visible 'look at me' displays of a religious nature. Of any persuasion.

You choose to make it about Islam. But that's ok. Players visible worshiping Allah are part of the discussion so if you want to narrow it down to one religion, fair enough.

But, let's get it straight. Your argument is utter shite.

If, as you claim, every minute action by a Muslim is preceded by a prayer, perhaps you might explain why I do not see dozens of people every day, getting down to prayer in the middle of the street before they cross the road. On their driveway, having a pray before they get in the car. In the office gesturing about in prayer before they turn their PC on.

I don't and you don't. And anyone who says that they see doxens of Muslims every day visible precededing most of the things they do with a VISIBLE prayer is a liar.

That is the comparison I am making. It is quite possible, whatever your religion, to say a prayer and not a single person would be any the wiser. People do it in all sorts of circumstances, every day.

Yet footballers have become so self obsessed and so image conscious about their every little action that they have taken, in ridiculous numbers compared to only a few years ago, to making a show of their religion (whatever it is) on the pitch.

Are they more religious or pious than their predecessors? I doubt it. Are they better followers of their religion than people who don't make very public shows of it in the most visible way possible? No. Are they better followers of their religion than their colleagues of the same religion who don't make a VISIBLE show of their 'praying' before a game? Probably not.

What they are is desperate to be seen doing the action in a very public forum. At best it is because they wish to send a message. At worst it is because they think it looks good.

Neither has any place in a game of football, which is a game that, whilst not excluding anyone, has nothing to do with religion and does not need the nonsense and division that goes hand in hand with it being associated with the game. They could quite easily pray to whoever they want in a personal and dignified manner. But, no. clowns like Hernandez want to out do every one in their mad poses, making sure that it is as noticeable as possible. Not for him the dignity of solemn prayer and reflection. No, it's not visible enough for his liking and wouldn't get people noticing his beliefs.

They are keen to make the observance of their beliefs part of the game and for their individual beliefs to be thrust to the forefront (even if it is a small way, what other reason is there for making visible prayer gestures?), ahead of the beliefs of others involved in the game who choose not to make public displays.

So, perhaps, given your penchant for claiming that many people say a prayer before every mundane action they undertake during the day, you might want to offer up thanks to someone before the next time you press 'post'. Someone up above might take notice and edit the bollocks out of what you have written (or at least explain what literally means)

What are you talking about, you just hurt my head you imbecile. There's the ritual of praying 5 times a day where you go through set movements and then there is Dua'a - a prayer in your head or with raised hands, which could be short as three words, which is why atheist dogs like you don't notice Muslims gettin on their hands and knees 20 times a day. You also do not have to do it, especially not with every step - just when it is significant, eg. when you're eating because while you may have food there are many people starving.

Who are you to tell me or Nasri about our religion anyways .. beat it you redneck gronk

Atheist dog? Have you reccently suffered a head injury?

 

[alky313]

Some of you need to get a grip. Who cares either way. Does it offend you? Because it shouldn't.

 

[Barcon]

Some of you need to get a grip. Who cares either way. Does it offend you? Because it shouldn't.

Strangely enough, it doesn't bother me at all when our lads do it, but when that little Mexican does it I want to choke the throat out of him. Same applies to that scruffy looking twat Dempsey.

 

[pauldominic]

You are literally a donkey. As a Muslim that's exactly what you're supposed to do - a little prayer before you eat, before you drive somewhere, before you get on a football field, not to beg for success, but to Thank God for the opportunity and ask for blessings upon your safety!

Well, where to start with this one?

Firstly, it is quite clear that my post was not in reference to any particular religion. It was relating to visible 'look at me' displays of a religious nature. Of any persuasion.

You choose to make it about Islam. But that's ok. Players visible worshiping Allah are part of the discussion so if you want to narrow it down to one religion, fair enough.

But, let's get it straight. Your argument is utter shite.

If, as you claim, every minute action by a Muslim is preceded by a prayer, perhaps you might explain why I do not see dozens of people every day, getting down to prayer in the middle of the street before they cross the road. On their driveway, having a pray before they get in the car. In the office gesturing about in prayer before they turn their PC on.

I don't and you don't. And anyone who says that they see doxens of Muslims every day visible precededing most of the things they do with a VISIBLE prayer is a liar.

That is the comparison I am making. It is quite possible, whatever your religion, to say a prayer and not a single person would be any the wiser. People do it in all sorts of circumstances, every day.

Yet footballers have become so self obsessed and so image conscious about their every little action that they have taken, in ridiculous numbers compared to only a few years ago, to making a show of their religion (whatever it is) on the pitch.

Are they more religious or pious than their predecessors? I doubt it. Are they better followers of their religion than people who don't make very public shows of it in the most visible way possible? No. Are they better followers of their religion than their colleagues of the same religion who don't make a VISIBLE show of their 'praying' before a game? Probably not.

What they are is desperate to be seen doing the action in a very public forum. At best it is because they wish to send a message. At worst it is because they think it looks good.

Neither has any place in a game of football, which is a game that, whilst not excluding anyone, has nothing to do with religion and does not need the nonsense and division that goes hand in hand with it being associated with the game. They could quite easily pray to whoever they want in a personal and dignified manner. But, no. clowns like Hernandez want to out do every one in their mad poses, making sure that it is as noticeable as possible. Not for him the dignity of solemn prayer and reflection. No, it's not visible enough for his liking and wouldn't get people noticing his beliefs.

They are keen to make the observance of their beliefs part of the game and for their individual beliefs to be thrust to the forefront (even if it is a small way, what other reason is there for making visible prayer gestures?), ahead of the beliefs of others involved in the game who choose not to make public displays.

So, perhaps, given your penchant for claiming that many people say a prayer before every mundane action they undertake during the day, you might want to offer up thanks to someone before the next time you press 'post'. Someone up above might take notice and edit the bollocks out of what you have written (or at least explain what literally means)

What are you talking about, you just hurt my head you imbecile. There's the ritual of praying 5 times a day where you go through set movements and then there is Dua'a - a prayer in your head or with raised hands, which could be short as three words, which is why atheist dogs like you don't notice Muslims gettin on their hands and knees 20 times a day. You also do not have to do it, especially not with every step - just when it is significant, eg. when you're eating because while you may have food there are many people starving.

Who are you to tell me or Nasri about our religion anyways .. beat it you redneck gronk

Aggressive post.

Tolerance is part of of the Uk Culture.

 

[SWP's back]

You are literally a donkey. As a Muslim that's exactly what you're supposed to do - a little prayer before you eat, before you drive somewhere, before you get on a football field, not to beg for success, but to Thank God for the opportunity and ask for blessings upon your safety!

Well, where to start with this one?

Firstly, it is quite clear that my post was not in reference to any particular religion. It was relating to visible 'look at me' displays of a religious nature. Of any persuasion.

You choose to make it about Islam. But that's ok. Players visible worshiping Allah are part of the discussion so if you want to narrow it down to one religion, fair enough.

But, let's get it straight. Your argument is utter shite.

If, as you claim, every minute action by a Muslim is preceded by a prayer, perhaps you might explain why I do not see dozens of people every day, getting down to prayer in the middle of the street before they cross the road. On their driveway, having a pray before they get in the car. In the office gesturing about in prayer before they turn their PC on.

I don't and you don't. And anyone who says that they see doxens of Muslims every day visible precededing most of the things they do with a VISIBLE prayer is a liar.

That is the comparison I am making. It is quite possible, whatever your religion, to say a prayer and not a single person would be any the wiser. People do it in all sorts of circumstances, every day.

Yet footballers have become so self obsessed and so image conscious about their every little action that they have taken, in ridiculous numbers compared to only a few years ago, to making a show of their religion (whatever it is) on the pitch.

Are they more religious or pious than their predecessors? I doubt it. Are they better followers of their religion than people who don't make very public shows of it in the most visible way possible? No. Are they better followers of their religion than their colleagues of the same religion who don't make a VISIBLE show of their 'praying' before a game? Probably not.

What they are is desperate to be seen doing the action in a very public forum. At best it is because they wish to send a message. At worst it is because they think it looks good.

Neither has any place in a game of football, which is a game that, whilst not excluding anyone, has nothing to do with religion and does not need the nonsense and division that goes hand in hand with it being associated with the game. They could quite easily pray to whoever they want in a personal and dignified manner. But, no. clowns like Hernandez want to out do every one in their mad poses, making sure that it is as noticeable as possible. Not for him the dignity of solemn prayer and reflection. No, it's not visible enough for his liking and wouldn't get people noticing his beliefs.

They are keen to make the observance of their beliefs part of the game and for their individual beliefs to be thrust to the forefront (even if it is a small way, what other reason is there for making visible prayer gestures?), ahead of the beliefs of others involved in the game who choose not to make public displays.

So, perhaps, given your penchant for claiming that many people say a prayer before every mundane action they undertake during the day, you might want to offer up thanks to someone before the next time you press 'post'. Someone up above might take notice and edit the bollocks out of what you have written (or at least explain what literally means)

What are you talking about, you just hurt my head you imbecile. There's the ritual of praying 5 times a day where you go through set movements and then there is Dua'a - a prayer in your head or with raised hands, which could be short as three words, which is why atheist dogs like you don't notice Muslims gettin on their hands and knees 20 times a day. You also do not have to do it, especially not with every step - just when it is significant, eg. when you're eating because while you may have food there are many people starving.

Who are you to tell me or Nasri about our religion anyways .. beat it you redneck gronk

Atheist dog? Where are you from newbie? Can you kindly fuck off back there?