New England kit for Euro '24

They've changed the colour of the cross, not the flag, and as has been pointed out earlier in this thread, the cross has appeared on the top before in different colours.

Besides, Edmund the Martyr will always be the patron Saint of England, English Saints for English people!

We will not accept a foreigner as our patron saint, just so Edward III can appease the woke Christian masses....It's why we voted for Brexit.

Wibble!
 
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They've changed the colour of the cross, not the flag, and as has been pointed out earlier in this thread, the cross has appeared on the top before in different colours.

Besides, Edmund the Martyr will always be the patron Saint of England, English Saints for English people!

We will not accept a foreigner as our patron saint, just so Edward III can appease the woke Christian masses....It's why we voted for Brexit.

Wibble!
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If most of those offended on social media about this knew English history they would know we used to use 4-5 saints banners when going into battle with the genoese cross of st george being reserved for the kings archers under Edward 1st reign. and it wasn't worn on uniforms until we copied the Scots wearing the cross of St Adrew on thier tunic sleeves.

The main use was to pay tribite to the genoese republic to secure safe passage across the Med.

The banner went out of fashon with the genral public by Edward 3rd but remained a royal emblem and restored to prominence after the order of the garter was formed, and as the banner used by the king it was allowed to remain as all other saints banners were diisgarded.


The actial flag of St George is a red flag with thw saint slaying the dragon depicted on it, the red cross is the cross of St George and can be placed on any background, white is just the simplest to use.


So a Catholic Cross dedicated to a Roman soldier, burried is what was Roman palestine now Israel, Adopted by an italian City and borrowed by a French King to copy a scottish tradition in a holy war.

Cannot get more English than that to be fair being a hybrid nation of many orogins for centuries ;-)

And I never even mentioned the Raven banner of England that would have been used in the North and our beloved area of Lancashire along side St Edmunds Dragon
 
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Or to put it plainly, who fucking cares, it's a cross uses by several nations as a national or local symbol, it doesn't define ypu as a person or as an Englishman or woman, it is basically a bit of ancient tat from a more religious age.

Did they need to mess with it ? no not really, but it is being talked about and this is the point, a marketing gimmick.

Will them doing so really affect anyones lives or devalue your personal pride in your country? no and it shouldn't.

Will it stop you supportimg England in the Euros? no
 
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Are people so unhinged these days that they lose their shit over some colours on a cross? Screaming things like "woke" and "virtue signalling" but unable to expand on it any further.

It's a tiny cross on the back of a collar on a football shirt. Kit designers are constantly tweaking shirt designs and then creating a load of marketing guff around it. Theyv'e said it's a nod to the st George cross and also the blues and reds that have previously appeared on England kits. It's fairly par for the course in modern kit design. It's also q obviously an attempt to create some synergy across the home and away shirts.

Ironically, the shirt as a whole is way closer to a classic England kit than the one they'd been previously wearing which was absolute crap

Anyone upset by this, I beg of you, get a life
 
Shit like this is why I'll never be too bothered about England not winning a trophy.

People who genuinely have a strong opinion on this need to go outside once in a while. They haven't advocated for changing the flag, it's just a creative design on a football shirt.

They had 2 shirts over 10 years ago that had crosses in different colours that somehow everyone just managed to live with.


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And fuck Keir Starmer for weighing in on this too.
 
The story has just been on Radio 4. A kit designer and Peter "Shitters" Shilton. As you'd expect, Shitters was going on about tradition and wokeness when the kit designer guy pointed out that the FoSG didn't appear on the kit until around 2000, so it's not like its a traditional element.

A confected dead squirrel story to keep the Mail, Express and GBeebies frothing so that people don't have to think about the grown-up stuff.
 
All for it,
Providing Ireland have a pink shamrock, Scotland a purple lion, Wales a green spotted dragon.
The national identity and symbolism is irrelevant brigade, seletively all over this for some reason- hmmmm.
 
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