New Labour leader is...

[hilts]

Happy days, the end of Nu-Liebour, and the return to a Labour party that will work for the good of ALL people in this country, and not just the elite.
With the mess the condem alliance are going to make of the economy, a retarded chimp could stand against them in the next election and win.

aye good news for the work shy, the sooner we get rid of the tories and get back to the debt free, responsible, honest and prudent labour party the better

 

[Seosa]

The Marxier the better you tory shit

Then obviously you are one deluded scumbag, the type this country is full of unfortunately, the nutcase minority that dictate to the rest of the populas that want to live a normal life.

This, hopefully it'll guarantee a Labour-less government for at least another 2 or 3 terms

If you think this would be good for the country or society, you are seriously one deluded mofo. However, if you're the type who gets your opinions from the Daily Mail and The Sun, who rejoices in telling everyone how "Broken Britain" is, and how we're going to the dogs then you'll have plenty of new material.

Thats very stereotypical, describing someone with different views to your own as a 'Typical Daily Mail/Sun reader', good one. The Sun's about as good as toilet roll, and the Mail can go over the top. Nope, I won't disclose what I read, but I will tell you this. I come a from a typical working class Mancunian family, so Labour should probably be my party, but I don't agree with the political ideology of a party who every time they come to power cause recessions, corruption, political cock up after another and most recently, mass ethnic cleansing, 'positive discrimination' and a hateful benefits culture. The Labour that many on here adhere to died many years ago, though tbf there are obvious Marxist Sychophants diseasing the board. I'm not saying the Tories are much better, but at least the country doesn't end up in a total mess when they're in power.

 

[hilts]

The Marxier the better you tory shit

Then obviously you are one deluded scumbag, the type this country is full of unfortunately, the nutcase minority that dictate to the rest of the populas that want to live a normal life.

If you think this would be good for the country or society, you are seriously one deluded mofo. However, if you're the type who gets your opinions from the Daily Mail and The Sun, who rejoices in telling everyone how "Broken Britain" is, and how we're going to the dogs then you'll have plenty of new material.

Thats very stereotypical, describing someone with different views to your own as a 'Typical Daily Mail/Sun reader', good one. The Sun's about as good as toilet roll, and the Mail can go over the top. Nope, I won't disclose what I read, but I will tell you this. I come a from a typical working class Mancunian family, so Labour should probably be my party, but I don't agree with the political ideology of a party who every time they come to power cause recessions, corruption, political cock up after another and most recently, mass ethnic cleansing, 'positive discrimination' and a hateful benefits culture. The Labour that many on here adhere to died many years ago, though tbf there are obvious Marxist Sychophants diseasing the board. I'm not saying the Tories are much better, but at least the country doesn't end up in a total mess when they're in power.

its the lazy arguement of the left that anyone who doesnt have left wing leanings is a fascist, daily mail reading im alright jack type, socialism is an ideal that would work if everyone did their bit but falls apart due to the greed and selfishness of human nature.

 

[Seosa]

Then obviously you are one deluded scumbag, the type this country is full of unfortunately, the nutcase minority that dictate to the rest of the populas that want to live a normal life.



Thats very stereotypical, describing someone with different views to your own as a 'Typical Daily Mail/Sun reader', good one. The Sun's about as good as toilet roll, and the Mail can go over the top. Nope, I won't disclose what I read, but I will tell you this. I come a from a typical working class Mancunian family, so Labour should probably be my party, but I don't agree with the political ideology of a party who every time they come to power cause recessions, corruption, political cock up after another and most recently, mass ethnic cleansing, 'positive discrimination' and a hateful benefits culture. The Labour that many on here adhere to died many years ago, though tbf there are obvious Marxist Sychophants diseasing the board. I'm not saying the Tories are much better, but at least the country doesn't end up in a total mess when they're in power.

its the lazy arguement of the left that anyone who doesnt have left wing leanings is a fascist, daily mail reading im alright jack type, socialism is an ideal that would work if everyone did their bit but falls apart due to the greed and selfishness of human nature.

Communism is a good idea in hindsight but its the class society that surrounds the world that stops that possibility. Whats funny about it, is that a large number of Labour voters are the rich, but these Labour idiots don't get this, and the Labour left are left mumbling without an answer

 

[Skashion]

One of Bluemoon's Marxists here and I couldn't give a shiny shite who's running the Labour party. New Labour didn't happen by accident. It happened because 1983 was a fucking disaster. Labour turned left as people were turning right after the disorder of the 70s and the winter of discontent, and the electoral system of this country means that even if a larger majority are more unified in a general political direction, if the vote is split evenly across constituencies nationally it will lead to a large parliamentary majority for the minority interest. New Labour was established to overcome both those problems but these problems still exist. The electorate hasn't moved to the left since the 1980s, with elements of Thatcherism being accepted amongst traditional Labour voters and our political system is even more ideologically concentrated in the centre as political analysis within all the major political parties leads to the pursuit of policies which are popular with swing voters in swing constituencies (they couldn't give a fuck about 90+% of the population because they can't win them an election), meaning that the only means by which to differentiate the parties is valence. As parties gradually amass an air of incompetence, as all parties do with time, the other party will be elected promising to do the same things but better.<br /><br />-- Sun Sep 26, 2010 9:47 pm --<br /><br />

its the lazy arguement of the left that anyone who doesnt have left wing leanings is a fascist, daily mail reading im alright jack type, socialism is an ideal that would work if everyone did their bit but falls apart due to the greed and selfishness of human nature.

and the lazy right doesn't reciprocate by painting anyone on the left as being a Stalinist?

 

[hilts]

One of Bluemoon's Marxists here and I couldn't give a shiny shite who's running the Labour party. New Labour didn't happen by accident. It happened because 1983 was a fucking disaster. Labour turned left as people were turning right after the disorder of the 70s and the winter of discontent, and the electoral system of this country means that even if a larger majority are more unified in a general political direction, if the vote is split evenly across constituencies nationally it will lead to a large parliamentary majority for the minority interest. New Labour was established to overcome both those problems but these problems still exist. The electorate hasn't moved to the left since the 1980s, with elements of Thatcherism being accepted amongst traditional Labour voters and our political system is even more ideologically concentrated in the centre as political analysis within all the major political parties leads to the pursuit of policies which are popular with swing voters in swing constituencies (they couldn't give a fuck about 90+% of the population because they can't win them an election), meaning that the only means by which to differentiate the parties is valence. As parties gradually amass an air of incompetence, as all parties do with time, the other party will be elected promising to do the same things but better.

maybe people should vote with their heads and actually take an interest, the amount of people who vote for a party for no particular reason or just plain stupid ones is scary

 

[Skashion]

maybe people should vote with their heads and actually take an interest, the amount of people who vote for a party for no particular reason or just plain stupid ones is scary

I advocate very strong electoral reform. I'd like something akin to the German system. Even AV would be an improvement. Actually, the extremely localised form of 'ombudsman' democracy that existed in the Soviet Union was probably better than what we have - at least your locally accountable elected bureaucrat would make sure your bins are emptied every week.

 

[hilts]

maybe people should vote with their heads and actually take an interest, the amount of people who vote for a party for no particular reason or just plain stupid ones is scary

I advocate very strong electoral reform. I'd like something akin to the German system. Even AV would be an improvement. Actually, the extremely localised form of 'ombudsman' democracy that existed in the Soviet Union was probably better than what we have - at least your locally accountable elected bureaucrat would make sure your bins are emptied every week.

what system do ze germans have?, i would like to see more mayors akin to london, i know a few southerners who judged livingstone and now johnson on what they did rather than what party they represented

 

[Skashion]

Mixed-member proportional with a 5% threshold. You can vote for a local candidate and a national party. Seats are then allocated proportionally according to the national vote (local and national considered). It has a lot of implications:

1. It encourages parties to stop concentrating on swing voters and swing constituencies because every voter is now equal and local anomalies will be corrected nationally.

2. As national parties don't have to have a candidate in every constituency, there are more parties representing a broader range of interests and views.

3. As a voter you have a lot more choice, apart from having more parties to vote for who can actually win seats, you can also vote for a local candidate without voting for their party.

4. The threshold prevents the system from being overwhelmed by hundreds of small parties whilst still allowing a lot more choice.

Here's a ballot to demonstrate how simple it would be:

 

[Forzacitizens]

doesnt matter who labour put as their leader, they still won't win the next the election. first things first they need to sort out what the labour party actually stand for, is it for the free market, or the controlled economy? thats the problem with the labour party, they haven't got a set of principles