New Zealand

Best place I've spent much time in. Certainly more egalitarian than Britain or the U.S. I found that people treated people on their merits, if they didn't like you they'd tell you so and if they took to you you were a mate.
And they do good meat pies.
 
It was a great place when I visited a 15 or so years ago. Most of the folk were friendly and there was plenty to do from bungee jumps in Queens Town to drinks festivals in Auckland.

There was a new sports stadium opened in Auckland and we asked at reception if we could have a look round. The receptionist phoned the office and give minutes later the Managing Director of the stadium is giving us a free guided tour around the “cake tin”.

Looking from afar, Jacinda Arden has been a revelation and she seems to be a credit to New Zealand and the World.

Nowhere is perfect and a gang of local white youths tried to start trouble when we were having a quiet drink a bar watching the rugby one night. I think Saddleworth is right that the Maoris were exploited and worse during the early days, including crimes by us British.
 
Lived in NZ for almost two years now, moved over for work. Great place to live, does have it downsides like everywhere, but the country has dealt with the covid crisis and other issues over the past couple of years well.

The biggest downside is getting up at 2/3am to watch City!!
 
Best place I've spent much time in. Certainly more egalitarian than Britain or the U.S. I found that people treated people on their merits, if they didn't like you they'd tell you so and if they took to you you were a mate.
And they do good meat pies.
Awesome Steak and cheese pies.... and there is no class culture at all that's relevant.... I met many a millionaire driving a 20 year old ute, wearing a wifebeater, shorts and gumboots... with his dog sat on the back of his ute ...
 
Lived here for nearly 20 years now. Moved from the UK. As a Tradie (Sparkie) just so much work. It's odd that in a old magazine called North and South ( named after the 2 Islands) people were recommending there offspring to get trades rather than other professions... great people awesome weather even in winter its chilly but we need seasons in our life. Kiwis are hard working people. The comment re Once we were Warriors is a little simplistic. There are many areas all around the world very similar to this and I can assure you it's not all this prevelant a little dramatic movie. As for the PM Jacinda I have to say I didnt vote for her but an very proud to say I'm a Kiwi now and she reflects compassion on a big scale . She showed it during the aftermath of the horrific Mosque shootings in CHCH . The Maori were not indigenous. They travelled from the islands prior to the Europeans arriving. Egg chasing (Rugby) really does keep the country together. I have sat in many an AB rugby game with fans from the opposition side and never ever have I seen any trouble. You can drink beer sat in your seat. Would I move back to the UK. I dont ever think so. And I must add I lived in the US and CHina and japan in my few years before Aotearoa. It a pretty cool place.
So if the Maori were not indigenous to NZ who were?
 
So if the Maori were not indigenous to NZ who were?
Read Mike Kings book a history of NZ there was a society called the Moriori. I get that can be confusing in its name but they were here way before the Maori. The Maori travelled from the Pacifc ish islands. (Tahiti if iirc) Dna to link them as well ( iirc) Now however there are no Moriori left .... somehow they all disapeared. Go figure that one!
 
From Wiki.

The Māori (/ˈmaʊri/; Māori pronunciation: [ˈmaːɔɾi] (About this soundlisten)[6]) are the indigenous Polynesian people of mainland New Zealand. Māori originated with settlers from eastern Polynesia, who arrived in New Zealand in several waves of waka (canoe) voyages between roughly 1320 and 1350.[7] Over several centuries in isolation, these settlers developed their own distinctive culture, whose language, mythology, crafts and performing arts evolved independently from those of other eastern Polynesian cultures. Some early Māori moved to the Chatham Islands where their descendants became New Zealand's other indigenous Polynesian ethnic group, the Moriori.[8]

The arrival of Europeans in New Zealand, starting in the 17th century, brought enormous changes to the Māori way of life. Māori people gradually adopted many aspects of Western society and culture. Initial relations between Māori and Europeans were largely amicable, and with the signing of the Treaty of Waitangi in 1840, the two cultures coexisted.
The Treaty of Waitangi is often considered to be the founding document for European (Pākehā) settlement in New Zealand. It guaranteed to Māori the right to keep their lands, forests, fisheries and all their treasures, but they would hand sovereignty in the English version, and governorship in the Māori version, over to the Crown and would also be able to sell only to the Crown. Initially, there was little dispute, as the settlers were able to buy land from the Māori through legal channels. However, after a while, Māori became disillusioned and less willing to sell, while the Crown came under increasing pressure from settlers wishing to buy. Consequently, government land agents were involved in a number of dubious land purchases. Agreements were negotiated with only one owner of tribally owned land and in some cases land was purchased from the wrong people altogether. Unrest and rebellion caused by these actions were met with further punitive land confiscations. Eventually this led to the New Zealand Wars, which culminated in the confiscation of a large part of the Waikato and Taranaki. Political and economic redress for these historical grievances has been ongoing (see Treaty of Waitangi claims and settlements) since the 1920s and has resulted in a number of redress agreements.

Social upheaval, and epidemics of introduced disease took a devastating toll on the Māori population, which fell dramatically. By the start of the 20th century, the Māori population had begun to recover, and efforts have been made to increase their standing in wider New Zealand society and achieve social justice. However, disproportionate numbers of Māori face significant economic and social obstacles, and generally have lower life expectancies and incomes compared with other New Zealand ethnic groups. They suffer higher levels of crime, health problems, and educational under-achievement. A number of socioeconomic initiatives have been instigated with the aim of "closing the gap" between Māori and other New Zealanders.

There is quite a bit more on Wiki regarding this subject, the above is just a flavour.
Read Mike Kings book a history of NZ there was a society called the Moriori. I get that can be confusing in its name but they were here way before the Maori. The Maori travelled from the Pacifc ish islands. (Tahiti if iirc) Dna to link them as well ( iirc) Now however there are no Moriori left .... somehow they all disapeared. Go figure that one!
yeah, I did some reading this morning. The Maori came from the Pacific islands in around 1300, which was centuries before the Europeans. Whilst both races lived in harmony initially there were land disputes which resulted in war and ultimately land confiscation from the Maori. Restoration of the historic injustices is ongoing. Whilst there has been troubles it doesn’t seem to be in the same scale as Oz and the USA.

Every day is a learning day. I didn’t know most of that when I woke up this morning :-)
 
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Read Mike Kings book a history of NZ there was a society called the Moriori. I get that can be confusing in its name but they were here way before the Maori. The Maori travelled from the Pacifc ish islands. (Tahiti if iirc) Dna to link them as well ( iirc) Now however there are no Moriori left .... somehow they all disapeared. Go figure that one!

I lived in NZ for a couple of years in the late 90s and there was a fair bit of tension then between Maori and "Pakeha"- the name given to white European descendants. Memory is a bit hazy but there was a lot of stuff going on about resettling the Waitangi Treaty with cash being paid to Maori tribes. I think I remember an attack on the America's Cup or the boat due to compete in it, it being seen as a rich white man's sport.

Was interesting when we went back for a holiday a few years ago that some areas of land seem to have been given back to the Maori's, an example being PIlot's Beach on the Otago peninsula which was a place you could watch Blue Penguins in the wild, now very much a commercial operation


I had vague memories of the story of the Maori's following the Moriori and basically seeing them off but that story appears to have been revised, I googled it this morning and couldn't get back the version of events that Saddleworth found.

I tried to persuade the family we should go back out there a few years ago, to no avail. My best hopes are that one of my son's fins work out there, on a temporary basis at least, so that we can go and have extended stays.

Edit- the America's Cup story I referred to, happened while we were there...

 

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