Newcastle Thread - 2023/24

ninjamonkey said:
Ive nothing personally against newcastle but It's very interesting to finally sit back and watch the penny drop for another fanbase.

It was fast tracked in as a direct attempt to stop us from becoming what we are today but it also ensured the gate was firmly sealed behind us and nobody else would be allowed to do what we did.

Every club outside the then big 4 that voted for ffp signed away their future and any hope of winning things that day. Newcastle fans are now seeing this, I hope all the other clubs in favour of ffp get billionaire investment and cannot spend it so they too can see what they voted for.
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When City are cleared, ffp will be gone, with City held up as the reason why - ‘ineffective’
And the fans of the red shirts will nod and agree - ‘yes, that’s the reason ffp failed, it didn’t stop City’… and the penny might just drop for them as well, the acknowledgment that ffp was for one purpose only to stop City (and anyone else daring to break the cozy cartel stitchup).
They’ll never acknowledge that ffp was chucked in the bin because it started affecting the actual red shirt clubs negatively, due to their own arrogance and stupidity.
 
JASR said:
When City are cleared, ffp will be gone, with City held up as the reason why - ‘ineffective’
And the fans of the red shirts will nod and agree - ‘yes, that’s the reason ffp failed, it didn’t stop City’… and the penny might just drop for them as well, the acknowledgment that ffp was for one purpose only to stop City (and anyone else daring to break the cozy cartel stitchup).
They’ll never acknowledge that ffp was chucked in the bin because it started affecting the actual red shirt clubs negatively, due to their own arrogance and stupidity.
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Don’t think it’s affected Liverpool too negatively. But United and Arsenal it definitely has/is.
 
Vienna_70 said:
I really don’t know, but he’s done a lot better than many on here thought he would, and he’s dealing with a crazy injury list that would test any coach..
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alot of it depends on how long term the saudis are in it for, if they want a trophy theyll bring in mourinho who will prob win them a trophy but destroy the club for the next 5 years, if they are in it for the long haul theyll either stick with howe or go for a de zerbi or a potter who i dont think are significantly better and then let them build for a while
 
mancboy said:
alot of it depends on how long term the saudis are in it for, if they want a trophy theyll bring in mourinho who will prob win them a trophy but destroy the club for the next 5 years, if they are in it for the long haul theyll either stick with howe or go for a de zerbi or a potter who i dont think are significantly better and then let them build for a while
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I don't think any manager can do it, they are not allowed under the current rules to spend above their means. FFP needs to be taken out the back door and shot before the barcodes have any chance of keeping up with us and the rest.
 
mexico1970 said:
I don't think any manager can do it, they are not allowed under the current rules to spend above their means. FFP needs to be taken out the back door and shot before the barcodes have any chance of keeping up with us and the rest.
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ffp is failing because it hasnt worked as intended which was to keep the red tops at the top so they might scrap it BUT even if you take it out it wont matter because the landscape has now shifted because it truly isnt just about money anymore, back in the 80s and 90s when the dippers and rags did have more money than everybody else it mattered but now everybody has money, do you think we couldnt have gone 105m for rice if we wanted to, course we could, so could psg, so could madrid, so could newcastle, so could the dippers and the rags if there was no ffp but we decided he wasnt worth that kind of money, now everybody has money and its no longer the dream to play for the rags and the dippers so good management is just as if not more important than money.
 
mancboy said:
ffp is failing because it hasnt worked as intended which was to keep the red tops at the top so they might scrap it BUT even if you take it out it wont matter because the landscape has now shifted because it truly isnt just about money anymore, back in the 80s and 90s when the dippers and rags did have more money than everybody else it mattered but now everybody has money, do you think we couldnt have gone 105m for rice if we wanted to, course we could, so could psg, so could madrid, so could newcastle, so could the dippers and the rags if there was no ffp but we decided he wasnt worth that kind of money, now everybody has money and its no longer the dream to play for the rags and the dippers so good management is just as if not more important than money.
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Newcastle can't invest right now because of FFP, if they do invest they will be punished.

The barcodes are on the bottom rung and they have overspent and are now told to stop spending, FFP is still in operation mate and it still changes everything.
 
mexico1970 said:
Newcastle can't invest right now because of FFP, if they do invest they will be punished.

The barcodes are on the bottom rung and they have overspent and are now told to stop spending, FFP is still in operation mate and it still changes everything.
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i thoroughly agree it changes everything, what im saying is that even if you get rid it doesnt necessarily immediately make newcastle an immediate superpower
 
mancboy said:
i thoroughly agree it changes everything, what im saying is that even if you get rid it doesnt necessarily immediately make newcastle an immediate superpower
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Imagine the barcodes being released though, spending huge amounts or at least not being hindered by wage restraints and the like?

Imagine the boiled piss?
 
mexico1970 said:
Imagine the barcodes being released though, spending huge amounts or at least not being hindered by wage restraints and the like?

Imagine the boiled piss?
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oh it would be hilarious i thoroughly agree but i do think theyd be like us when we first started in struggling to get people to come there and even if they did what it be worth it, how much would they need to spend to challenge consistently, 500M?
 
mancboy said:
oh it would be hilarious i thoroughly agree but i do think theyd be like us when we first started in struggling to get people to come there and even if they did what it be worth it, how much would they need to spend to challenge consistently, 500M?
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They'd need to either run the club in the right way or spend shitloads of money each year, either way it would football is changing and IMHO real fans will mean less and less, building an amphitheatre for new "Fans" is what's going to happen.
 
mexico1970 said:
They'd need to either run the club in the right way or spend shitloads of money each year, either way it would football is changing and IMHO real fans will mean less and less, building an amphitheatre for new "Fans" is what's going to happen.
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thats what i was saying , the landscape has changed, money really inst everything like it used to be
 
mancboy said:
i thoroughly agree it changes everything, what im saying is that even if you get rid it doesnt necessarily immediately make newcastle an immediate superpower
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I don't think personally Newcastle will ever be a super power as it's closer to Scotland than London .you may convince som e B list player to go there but you are not convincing some A list player and more importantly his A list wife to live there .
 
mrtwiceaseason said:
I don't think personally Newcastle will ever be a super power as it's closer to Scotland than London .you may convince som e B list player to go there but you are not convincing some A list player and more importantly his A list wife to live there .
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Newcastle has got a lot going for it, IMHO it shits on the southern cities. Lovely place and they aren't even scared of Horses.
 
mancboy said:
oh it would be hilarious i thoroughly agree but i do think theyd be like us when we first started in struggling to get people to come there and even if they did what it be worth it, how much would they need to spend to challenge consistently, 500M?
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I don’t think we struggled to attract players, though we did have to pay higher salaries than their ability warranted.

But hiring Bobby Manc and that great summer 2010 transfer window - Merlin, Yaya, Aleks and Boateng - was a game changer for us.
 
mexico1970 said:
Newcastle has got a lot going for it, IMHO it shits on the southern cities. Lovely place and they aren't even scared of Horses.
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its a great place and it wasnt a knock on newcastle, it was more of like in terms of the other teams they would potentially be going up against for recruitment
 
mrtwiceaseason said:
I don't think personally Newcastle will ever be a super power as it's closer to Scotland than London .you may convince som e B list player to go there but you are not convincing some A list player and more importantly his A list wife to live there .
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Its amazing how a £million per week might make the landscape look a little better. There are hundreds of beautiful little villages either 30 min drive from Newcastle centre or 10 - 15 drive to a station on the Carlisle - Newcastle trainline.
 
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