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Dribble said:
We've got a couple of weeks off & we're taking the break, not playing money-spinning friendlies abroad.

Pep complains about the ridiculous amount of games our players are expected to compete in. If we'd arranged friendlies during this break, he'd be a hypocrite, but he's embracing the break & we saw the rise in our physicality against Newcastle as a result of only playing one game per week this year so far.

In years gone by we'd have played on New Years' Day, then in the FA Cup, then had a PL match, then a Caraboa Cup semi, then another FA Cup match & another PL match in January alone.

Enough is enough.
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That's for the players to decide not for the perennial question to be lodged and forgotten about by fans and some managers who don't like it up 'em. Successful teams play more matches that goes with the territory.

Just how do you force millionaire footballers to play more than they want to? I see footballers breaking a bollock to get ready to play internationally sometimes at the expense of the clubs that pay their wages.

If the players didn't like it then they'd do something about it, we're not talking about mill workers here.
 
Dribble said:
What he was alluding to was the amount of non stop football he's played over the years without a break.

Albeit he was injured, there wasn't much he could do outside of getting himself fit, so he enjoyed his brain break & the physical rest as he built up his fitness.

People don't realise the level of physical & mental fatigue top sportspeople endure to remain at the apex of their chosen discipline.

Kev looks totally refreshed & invigorated, albeit lacking full match sharpness. As he said, he felt it physically, but he rose above that because of his mental will to win.

The football authorities just aren't listening. In the drive for more money, they're increasing the amount of top level games they want players to compete in, whilst putting onerous squad restrictions on all clubs in the pursuit of FFP to protect the hegemony of the elite clubs.

Something has to give, because the amount of pointless games in today's football is beyond ridiculous. Why can't mid-season International breaks be combined into end of season mini tournaments?

What's the point in the Nations League? Why expand the World Cup, Champions League & Club World Cup? It's all about the greed of the games governing bodies, & player welfare doesn't come into it.
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He's also, from what anyone can gather, a dedicated family man who enjoys watching other sports. Sounds to me that he made a conscious decision early in the injury to enjoy getting to spend a bit more time with the kids.
 
mexico1970 said:
That's for the players to decide not for the perennial question to be lodged and forgotten about by fans and some managers who don't like it up 'em. Successful teams play more matches that goes with the territory.

Just how do you force millionaire footballers to play more than they want to? I see footballers breaking a bollock to get ready to play internationally sometimes at the expense of the clubs that pay their wages.

If the players didn't like it then they'd do something about it, we're not talking about mill workers here.
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Agreed that players have the ultimate control over this, but can you imagine players picking & choosing which games they want to play in at club level?

I 100% agree about international football. I've never seen the lure of it if you're a perennial CL player, but top players have pride in playing for their countries & because clubs are duty bound to release players called up, it's ultimately down to the players.

However, look at what happened to David Bentley when he withdrew from the England squad citing fatigue? The whole fuckin country wanted him tried, hung drawn & quartered for treason.
 
Dribble said:
Agreed that players have the ultimate control over this, buy can you imagine players picking & choosing which games they want to play in at club level?

I 100% agree about international football. I've never seen the lure of it if you're a perennial CL player, but top players have pride in playing for their countries & because clubs are duty bound to release players called up, it's ultimately down to the players.

However, look at what happened to David Bentley when he withdrew from the England squad citing fatigue? The whole fuckin country wanted him tried, hung drawn & quartered for treason.
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There are new competitions being touted so that more money can be made, wages will go up and then players will play more games.

You're right that we would get more quality from refreshed well managed players but they are in it for the money IMHO, and why not?

Millionaire footballers who accept huge wages to play a sport we would love to play and have the power to say no I have little to no sympathy for, however if they stuck their heads out of their fancy cars and tried to do the right thing I would support them.
 
Eccles Blue said:
*boasting, tongue in cheek time*
I hope those who watched Pep’s interview after the game heard him utter the words I write every game!!?? ‘They fight to the end’. He’s been listening to me!! *lol*
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I suspect you are his secret lover and he is repeating pillow talk.
 
mexico1970 said:
There are new competitions being touted so that more money can be made, wages will go up and then players will play more games.

You're right that we would get more quality from refreshed well managed players but they are in it for the money IMHO, and why not?

Millionaire footballers who accept huge wages to play a sport we would love to play and have the power to say no I have little to no sympathy for, however if they stuck their heads out of their fancy cars and tried to do the right thing I would support them.
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This is why Pep stresses the need for a root & branch review of football from the top level to the grass roots.

If there was no mid-season international football & no replays in the FA Cup, it'd go a long way to helping the situation.

If you look at it another way, if players are expected to be rinsed dry, can you blame them for putting a sky high price on their services? I would.

As I said a few weeks ago when a few posters were calling footballers pussies for complaining about being rinsed, citing themselves having to do 4 X 12 hours shifts of physical graft per week isn't comparable.

How many of them could play 3 times a week to the physical level expected of our players? They wouldn't last 20 minutes, so just like not being able to complete their shift work, they'd probably be facing the sack for not being up to the job.

It's not easy being a dedicated, top level sportsperson.
 
Dribble said:
This is why Pep stresses the need for a root & branch review of football from the top level to the grass roots.

If there was no mid-season international football & no replays in the FA Cup, it'd go a long way to helping the situation.

If you look at it another way, if players are expected to be rinsed dry, can you blame them for putting a sky high price on their services? I would.

As I said a few weeks ago when a few posters were calling footballers pussies for complaining about being rinsed, citing themselves having to do 4 X 12 hours shifts of physical graft per week isn't comparable.

How many of them could play 3 times a week to the physical level expected of our players? They wouldn't last 20 minutes, so just like their shift work, they'd probably be facing the sack for not being up to the job.

It's not easy being a dedicated, top level sportsperson.
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They are worth their value mate, I agree with you.

But you can't get in bed with the devil and then complain it's too hot.
 
LangleyBlue1970 said:
Just had a look at the Toon match day thread on their forum. It’s like a carbon copy of here, but with added pro City bias moaning. The pages where Bobb scored. lol.
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i'm on there as LondonBlue. a friendly lot but then i avoid anything to antagonise as i want to be able to chat. good rapport with a few of our new oil brothers.
 
mexico1970 said:
They are worth their value mate, I agree with you.

But you can't get in bed with the devil and then complain it's too hot.
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Imagine if your shift employer decided to increase your hours from 4 X 12 hour shifts per week to 6 X 12 hour shifts per week?

You'd have a choice. Accept it & the additional wages on offer, or go work for a smaller company on less wages, giving yourself more free time.

The Unions wouldn't have it.
 
Dribble said:
Imagine if your shift employer decided to increase you hours from 4 X 12 hour shifts per week to 6 X 12 hour shifts per week?

You'd have a choice. Accept it & the additional wages on offer, or go work for a smaller company on less wages, giving yourself more free time.

The Unions wouldn't have it.
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Again mate footballers are wealthy have power and should do something about it, the fact they aren't doing anything about it tells me they are in agreement with it.
 
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