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[TheBeautifulGame]

Therefore "no penalty", do you think would end the controversy, we'd still be shouting "bent" having seen the replays.

I'm not, and never have been, a big fan of var, but it was intended to improve decisions, to me interpretation by var is now making an already difficult job worse. The fact we have var, and the option to help a referee get it right, makes some of the things we've seen today embarrasing, whether we have it or don't have it.

I hear you 100%. It wouldn't end the controversy but if it would be controversial either way then perhaps it's best not to stop the match and obsess over it. Now some have called it a howler and I can understand that. It would depend on who you ask, but VAR is hamstrung by its own methods, it often can't get out of its own way.

What I would ask you to consider is this in light of this incident - VAR is actually a huge distraction to referees. Generally. And I would offer that if Refs weren't running around with an earpiece and knowing that VAR is there to help them if they make a mistake, then they might be more focused on what is actually happening and might make better decisions on the pitch. Just a thought.

 

[paulsimpson]

Regarding Foden -Rooney on MOTD says it's a penalty and it's wreckless.

 

[BolinCell]

It's a bad decision that you can shrug and say it could have gone either way, IF they didn't check it using video review and this semi automated bullshit. After that it's fucking embarrassing. Their own graphic for this showed it was offside.

And the Foden penalty is an absolute howler of a decision. I generally try not to be a "blame the ref" guy, but this has effectively cost us the game.

Foden was his own worse enemy in that situation. He knew what was coming so instead of putting his foot through the ball he tried a toe poke where he knew their would be minimal contact with the challenging defender. Only when the shot went wide did he make a song and dance about it.

 

[WestGorton]

Regarding Foden -Rooney on MOTD says it's a penalty and it's wreckless.

It was more Wreckless Eric that decision. Disgrace.

 

[youngbob]

that's with teams that could string together 20 wins on the bounce. This teams lost 4 out of 12 PL games.

Yeah we're not winning the league, but I never expected to this season and anyone can check my post history to verify that.

2nd on about 78 points is what we're looking at imo.

 

[blue_danube]

Regarding Foden -Rooney on MOTD says it's a penalty and it's wreckless.

He's right. I don't actually mind Rooney as a pundit.

On Sky they kept trying to hammer home the point Foden had already shot before contact but nobody is disputing that..we're talking about the dangerous late boot to the ankle.

 

[Sebi]

I think the players thought we had won the league after the Liverpool win. Lot's to learn for this squad.

Not the players, but some fans ;-).

 

[Pingu the Penguin]

I know what you mean

Yeah and me. Just expect to get fucked over in games by the refereeing team

 

[cleavers]

What I would ask you to consider is this in light of this incident - VAR is actually a huge distraction to referees. Generally. And I would offer that if Refs weren't running around with an earpiece and knowing that VAR is there to help them if they make a mistake, then they might be more focused on what is actually happening and might make better decisions on the pitch. Just a thought.

No I get that, and you're right it is distracting them..

The reason we didn't initially get the panalty against Liverpool is exactly that, he just didn't want to give it against liverpool, if we'd been playing burnley it would have been given. However he also knew that var would look at it, so he also hoped that var would say "nothing to see here", but unfortunately they sent him to the screen, and he knew he'd been found out, he'd bottled a very obvious decision, and it's why, when he reversed the decision he looked like an embarrased little boy caught out. We missed so we helped him out of the mess, and it wasn't mentioned again.

 

[.db.]

Nothing more needed

We can’t tell with the naked eye from that camera angle at all.

That camera angle isn’t in-line and we have no idea of seeing where the edge of Dias would reach on the floor to base the offside screen from.

Here’s an example of things that you wouldn’t imagine to be in-line with each other because of the angle we’re looking at it th image from, but they are:


Take the red lines out and leave the dots and you’d have no idea that they were in-line with each other.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

He's right. I don't actually mind Rooney as a pundit.

On Sky they kept trying to hammer home the point Foden had already shot before contact but nobody is disputing that..we're talking about the dangerous late boot to the ankle.

Every time a forward dives in to block a defender clearing the ball and boots collide, it’s a free kick and a booking.

The fact he’s shot and not passed or cleared the ball is irrelevant.

A late tackle is a late tackle and is a foul. The referee then decides if the fouled team has an advantage to be played or not.

There was no astvantagd, so the play should have been brought back and a penalty awarded.

 

[cleavers]

Every time a forward dives in to block a defender clearing the ball and boots collide, it’s a free kick and a booking.

The fact he’s shot and not passed or cleared the ball is irrelevant.

A late tackle is a late tackle and is a foul. The referee then decides if the fouled team has an advantage to be played or not.

There was no astvantagd, so the play should have been brought back and a penalty awarded.

He should certainly have been sent to the screen.

 

[Millo]

Don't know why Pep took Doku off, Savinho has no end product, as we saw when he skyed it over the bar.

 

[deano ou812]

Unfortunately we are paying the price for the red scousers disallowed goal 2 weeks ago at the Etihad,what other reason is there,stitched up on live tv ..

 

[Shirley]

Who was the sky prick who interviewed Pep after the game…

 

[Father Paul]

Yeah we're not winning the league, but I never expected to this season and anyone can check my post history to verify that.

2nd on about 78 points is what we're looking at imo.

Acurate assessment. Our home form will take us across the line for Europe but away we are too brittle. We will be better in the run in but at present we lack confidence on the road. This team has a league in them probably next year in Peps last season.

 

[.db.]

Unfortunately we are paying the price for the red scousers disallowed goal 2 weeks ago at the Etihad,what other reason is there,stitched up on live tv ..

Is that what made Foden and Haaland miss numerous absolute sitters and made O’Reilly fluff a clearance to set up their first goal?

 

[Dodge]

We can’t tell with the naked eye from that camera angle at all.

That camera angle isn’t in-line and we have no idea of seeing where the edge of Dias would reach on the floor to base the offside screen from.

Here’s an example of things that you wouldn’t imagine to be in-line with each other because of the angle we’re looking at it th image from, but they are:

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Take the red lines out and leave the dots and you’d have no idea that they were in-line with each other.

Don't need red lines or dots to come to the conclusion that this challenge was late, studs up, straight legged, wreckless, out of control, with force. Ticks all the boxes for a straight red.

Deemed not enough contact by VAR.

Far worse than the Van Dick decision by a country fucking mile.

 

[.db.]

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Don't need red lines or dots to come to the conclusion that this challenge was late, studs up, straight legged, wreckless, out of control, with force. Ticks all the boxes for a straight red.

Deemed not enough contact by VAR.

Far worse than the Van Dick decision by a country fucking mile.

I’d rather look at Haaland’s fluffed chance early doors, Haaland’s shot straight at the keeper, Foden’s crap shot wide when half the goal was wide open for him, Foden’s shit control for that penalty incident to even happen when he was wide open in the box and a good first touch would have given him a chance to score… with us missing so many sitters today and 5 of our last 12 penalties, I don’t have much trust that we’d have scored the penalty had it been given anyway.

If we’re relying on referees after the amount of sitters we missed today, then we’re in trouble.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

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Don't need red lines or dots to come to the conclusion that this challenge was late, studs up, straight legged, wreckless, out of control, with force. Ticks all the boxes for a straight red.

Deemed not enough contact by VAR.

Far worse than the Van Dick decision by a country fucking mile.

The impact was too low for a straight red card. Yellow and penalty for me.

It’ll be interesting to see the fall out of the offside still as Dias doesn’t jump until after Woltermade has headed the ball, suggesting that they’ve used the wrong still to determine offside.