Newcastle United Thread - 2021/22

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BobbyBoy said:
Why can't you separate a clubs and its fans from its owners? How many Spurs fans do you think only want to participate? Only want to make Levy rich? All we have is what fans of 99% of clubs have and that's dreams, however unrealistic they are they are the reason we're still here. If Newcastle are allowed unleash those funds even the most romantic of fans will just give up. The dream has changed from building great side to hoping a billionaire takes a shine to you.

I'd like to think that the ESL showed that behind the banter/abuse most fans are the same and want the same thing and it's not this.
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Ha. As if it hasn't been about money for decades.
 
BobbyBoy said:
Does nobody else think its weird that a Man City forum is in support of this? City are owned by a group of billionaire's from all corners of the globe. From the point of view of CFG there is no relationship with Saudi Arabia or Newcastle that I'm aware of, there isn't a reason to get behind this.

As City fans you will ultimately end up paying for it at the gate, Newcastle will raise the stakes in terms of wages which will filter through every club. By the time they get competitive you will be in a post Pep era and will just as vulnerable to them as any other club.

As a club you now have to think and vote with geo political impacts in mind, every vote could have consequences, does anyone think they will accept "its privately owned, we can't do anything about it" when they want City to side with them? Your PR has taken an instant hit as you are automatically lumped in with them and finally the trophies you would have won in the next 10 years has probably been halved.

I'm struggling to think of any benefits other than keeping Utd down which is a bit a small time in all honesty.
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I want the cabal broken, smashed and the bubble to burst. Wanting the rags destitute and broken along with their scouse brethren should be the aim of every football fan whatever their allegiance.

Being happy that the Spanish clubs are struggling because they are skint makes me happy, watching the constant whining from the rags and dippers just makes me think "Bring it on", I will be a City fan if we are poor and shit, unlike the entitled royalty of the game cossetted into believing they are the chosen ones.

If you don't get what City fans are about you'll never get it.
 
BobbyBoy said:
Why can't you separate a clubs and its fans from its owners? How many Spurs fans do you think only want to participate? Only want to make Levy rich? All we have is what fans of 99% of clubs have and that's dreams, however unrealistic they are they are the reason we're still here. If Newcastle are allowed unleash those funds even the most romantic of fans will just give up. The dream has changed from building great side to hoping a billionaire takes a shine to you.

I'd like to think that the ESL showed that behind the banter/abuse most fans are the same and want the same thing and it's not this.
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It's always been the way. It just used to be millionaires rather than billionaires that could do this. As far as Newcastle (or city) inflating wages or prices go, they only pay what the selling club wants. It wasn't a billionaire owned club that tried to up the going rate for a clapped out striker to £150m, pogba to £80m, vvd to whatever or - I could go on.
What the old 'top four' clubs as well as mid table outfits like spurs are bothered about is their cartel being out gunned by another.
 
Sir peace frog said:
you support a club run by a ****, not interested in winning just earning, you and the other shithouse clubs want to run the premier league for your own benefit, fuck your club ,fuck arsenal,fuck liverpool and fuck united, greedy self serving cunts everyone of you.

the benefit would be you and arsenal would be kept out of the top european tournament along with another "super sunday "team. and lose millions every season , why fucking spurs are involved with the elite clubs is beyond me.
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You're Lord Peace Frog to me from now on
 
BobbyBoy said:
Does nobody else think its weird that a Man City forum is in support of this? City are owned by a group of billionaire's from all corners of the globe. From the point of view of CFG there is no relationship with Saudi Arabia or Newcastle that I'm aware of, there isn't a reason to get behind this.

As City fans you will ultimately end up paying for it at the gate, Newcastle will raise the stakes in terms of wages which will filter through every club. By the time they get competitive you will be in a post Pep era and will just as vulnerable to them as any other club.

As a club you now have to think and vote with geo political impacts in mind, every vote could have consequences, does anyone think they will accept "its privately owned, we can't do anything about it" when they want City to side with them? Your PR has taken an instant hit as you are automatically lumped in with them and finally the trophies you would have won in the next 10 years has probably been halved.

I'm struggling to think of any benefits other than keeping Utd down which is a bit a small time in all honesty.
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It is your last para which shows that you do not really understand what has been going on. It is not just about keeping manyoo down but about all the US based red shirts, that is MUFC, LFC, ARSENAL FC. Oh, and to a lesser extent certain others such as, er, Spurs.
The three red shirts have plotted against us non stop ever since it became clear that we threatened their cosy little top three club.

1.The American sports model is based on the owners making a handy profit from a league which does not have relegation so they are safe from the phenomenon of poor performance on the field leading to poor financial performance or even disaster.
2. A permanent place in the top four is a permanent place in the Champs league with increased revenues from fans, sponsors, TV, and prize money. Last season City earned £80m in prize money from the CL alone.
3. In order to preserve this, the American red shirts took part in the disgraceful blackmail of UEFA. UEFA proposed FPP partly to stop us but crucially the proposals included limits on debt. G14 refused to accept this and said they would leave the CL and set up their own comp. UEFA caved in and FFP was based on income alone. Handy for man u and Arsenal with huge debts on their books. No problem, however, for City as our then owner had a plan to spend upfront, establish the club as in a higher echelon, and then run the club on a sustainable debt free basis, having swopped the debt to him for equity. The equity swop enabled Mansour to reverse City into the ownership of ADUG, and thence into CFG .
This is exactly what happened. Panic from the red shirts. Lots of cosy lunches plotting how they would fend off CITY.
By coincidence, or design there then occurred the Spiegel email leaks. The red shirts built a whole case on this saying our accounts were a sham, and the true source of our income was the Emirate of Abu Dhabi, directly or thru fake sponsorships. They nobbled certain members of Uefa and set about a major campaign to get other PL clubs, the English press and some European clubs onside. This all but succeeded, City were found guilty of breaking the regulations, fined a fortune and chucked out of the Champs league. Naturally we appealed. Liverpool immediately organised a letter to UEFA saying we should be banned before the appeal was heard. NINE PL clubs, including Spurs, signed this letter. Nine clubs who don't believe in due process.
CAS heard the case and concluded:
1. There was NO EVIDENCE that we broke regulations. They stated this no less than 12 times in their judgement.
2. The idea that our audited accounts were not a true and fair record was just not credible.
3,The emails, cobbled together from thousands and made to look as though they were connected were dismissed as having no probitive value.
4. And in the interim case, CAS said that City could not possibly get a fair hearing from the investigatory chamber while M. Leterme was in the chair. (Wonder why they said that?!)

Despite the CAS final judgement, the press and the red shirts continue to repeat the lies. Only this week Klopp repeated that we were a state owned club. The press continue to belittle Pep's achievements "well anyone with unlimited resources could do that" Psst...We obey FFP. The Grauniad have now suggested that we bribed CAS and got off on a technicality.
Liverpool have now tried the PL regs route. This will fail.
I have left out the army of internet bots put into the field by the red shirts to spread their poison, the fact that Liverpool hacked our systems (allegedly!!), the Liverpool and Manu supporting writers who tweet anti City, anti Arab slogans weekly, the strange alliance of Qatr and a fake Indian media organization, and much more).
So, @BobbyBoy, it is quite understandable that we welcome anything that discumknockerates the red shirts and their gutless allies.
 
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BobbyBoy said:
Why can't you separate a clubs and its fans from its owners? How many Spurs fans do you think only want to participate? Only want to make Levy rich? All we have is what fans of 99% of clubs have and that's dreams, however unrealistic they are they are the reason we're still here. If Newcastle are allowed unleash those funds even the most romantic of fans will just give up. The dream has changed from building great side to hoping a billionaire takes a shine to you.

I'd like to think that the ESL showed that behind the banter/abuse most fans are the same and want the same thing and it's not this.
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Why can't you separate a fan from the forum? We are not one homogenous unit all thinking the same. We have a diversity of viewpoints, and reading this thread you would clearly see that. But that takes time and effort, and you've clearly made up your mind about what you think we all think, so why should we engage with you when you've not take the cursory steps to actually try understand where we might come from?

I would think that if there is a section of our fanbase that is supportive of what Newcastle are going through it is due to the fact that they have a lived experience of what that actually involves, a lived experience of being a fan and witnessing the moments such as Ya Ya in the FA Cup, and then Aguero against QPR. Unlike some fan bases, due to the perspective of experiencing the lean years in living memory we do not take things for granted, nor do we have a sense of entitlement that we have an ordained place at the table. It would be hypocritical to prevent Newcastle, or any other club for that matter, to have the opportunity that we collectively have had as fans.
 
BobbyBoy said:
Why can't you separate a clubs and its fans from its owners? How many Spurs fans do you think only want to participate? Only want to make Levy rich? All we have is what fans of 99% of clubs have and that's dreams, however unrealistic they are they are the reason we're still here. If Newcastle are allowed unleash those funds even the most romantic of fans will just give up. The dream has changed from building great side to hoping a billionaire takes a shine to you.

I'd like to think that the ESL showed that behind the banter/abuse most fans are the same and want the same thing and it's not this.
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"Unleash those funds". The propaganda has got to you. They are limited by FFP.
The difference is they are going for glory, while your owners want their divi.
 
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