Next Manager after Pep

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Gabriel said:
Obviously not, but they knew what they were getting by that stage.
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Tuchel, Klopp, Mancini etc had never worked as managers in England before. It is not a different world. It certainly doesn’t justify picking Arteta over a Hag, Nagelsmann or Enrique. It would be insanity
 
BrazilianBlue (Gus) said:
Tuchel, Klopp, Mancini etc had never worked as managers in England before. It is not a different world. It certainly doesn’t justify picking Arteta over a Hag, Nagelsmann or Enrique. It would be insanity
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‘Insanity‘ might be stretching it, but as I’ve said I don’t think any one person is going to tick every single box.
 
BrazilianBlue (Gus) said:
Tuchel, Klopp, Mancini etc had never worked as managers in England before. It is not a different world. It certainly doesn’t justify picking Arteta over a Hag, Nagelsmann or Enrique. It would be insanity
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Managing in Germany , Spain and Italy is a considerably higher level than in Holland to be fair.
 
Gabriel said:
‘Insanity‘ might be stretching it, but as I’ve said I don’t think any one person is going to tick every single box.
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I don’t think Arteta ticks barely any boxes. Good luck and all to him, but not here. I think it will be an interesting process
 
Keeper! said:
Managing in Germany , Spain and Italy is a considerably higher level than in Holland to be fair.
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ETH has experience inside the Bayern machine and with Pep. Of course the Dutch league isn’t at the top, but Ajax is always making European noise and he is asked to be a dominating force domestically, with success. But what makes him appealing to me is noticing the constant progress in strategy and tactics on his teams, as well as technical improvements on players he manages. No choice would be risk-free, but I just think he fits us
 
Gabriel said:
True, though the circumstances were not quite the same, never are of course.

According to Soriano, these were the criteria they applied when they appointed Guardiola.
  1. Respects the sports-management model and the role of the technical director
  2. Playing style
  3. Values to promote in the first team, with special attention to the development of young players
  4. Training and performance
  5. Proactive management of the dressing room
  6. Other responsibilities with, and commitments to, the club, including maintaining a conservative profile and avoiding overuse of the media
  7. Has experience as a player and coach at the highest level
  8. Supports the good governance of the club
  9. Knowledge of the Spanish league, the club and European competition.

Going to be difficult to find someone who meets each one, assuming they still use the same. I can see that ten Hag meets many, though his lack of experience in England would presumably be a concern. Vieira would meet many but so too would Arteta. If the Spanish-speaking management remain in place, Arteta might be a more comfortable choice. It’s not going to be easy.
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Man, convincing our fanbase that Arteta is the next City manager will be pretty difficult. Eventhough it is easy to why it can be a good idea. Arteta clearly have seen/know inside and out our Club management.

Pep clearly rated him very highly as manager despite his form on Arsenal, many thought Pep statement is sarcasm but he genuinely think that Arteta is a really good manager have been working with him closely for years. Pep will not easily give him that kind of compliment if he doesn't think so. His standards is very high afterall.

It is not easy to judge Arteta true capability because Arsenal as club is such a mess, ranging from the top to very bottom there so many of that club problem to exist and Arteta as capable he is, can't do it alone yet he will the first figure to blame for Arsenal wrong doing despite not all of that club problem is from his. Trying to implement the style and instill the culture he have seen in City to Arsenal will be very difficult job and it will taken him for years to do it. Not an easy job and heck even Pep himself will also find it is very difficult to do.

Thing is Manager appointment is all about whether the manager in question is a match for the club itself. CV and experience is good but it will not matter if the manager philosophy and playstyle is very different compared to ours, for example Prime Mourinho despite his impressive CV and experience after managing treble Inter season will not match our club philosopy and style at all.

If CV and experience is all that matter, Pep and Zidane will not getting the job in their first big team at all and you know how it turn out (Sextuple and Three peat CL respectively).

CV is good just for assurance for fanbase that the manager itself is good enough to lead the club to the very top but not the major factor of why that manager must get appointment as a manager.
 
Kamaro011 said:
Man, convincing our fanbase that Arteta is the next City manager will be pretty difficult. Eventhough it is easy to why it can be a good idea. Arteta clearly have seen/know inside and out our Club management.

Pep clearly rated him very highly as manager despite his form on Arsenal, many thought Pep statement is sarcasm but he genuinely think that Arteta is a really good manager have been working with him closely for years. Pep will not easily give him that kind of compliment if he doesn't think so. His standards is very high afterall.

It is not easy to judge Arteta true capability because Arsenal as club is such a mess, ranging from the top to very bottom there so many of that club problem to exist and Arteta as capable he is, can't do it alone yet he will the first figure to blame for Arsenal wrong doing despite not all of that club problem is from his. Trying to implement the style and instill the culture he have seen in City to Arsenal will be very difficult job and it will taken him for years to do it. Not an easy job and heck even Pep himself will also find it is very difficult to do.

Thing is Manager appointment is all about whether the manager in question is a match for the club itself. CV and experience is good but it will not matter if the manager philosophy and playstyle is very different compared to ours, for example Prime Mourinho despite his impressive CV and experience after managing treble Inter season will not match our club philosopy and style at all.

If CV and experience is all that matter, Pep and Zidane will not getting the job in their first big team at all and you know how it turn out (Sextuple and Three peat CL respectively).

CV is good just for assurance for fanbase that the manager itself is good enough to lead the club to the very top but not the major factor of why that manager must get appointment as a manager.
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Not sure why Arteta is even in the equation to replace Pep.

He has far greater ties to Arsenal than to us, he has plenty on his plate to do to rebuild Arsenal and if he is successful in doing so, would he not want to stay there and enjoy the fruit's of his labour?
 
Kamaro011 said:
Man, convincing our fanbase that Arteta is the next City manager will be pretty difficult. Eventhough it is easy to why it can be a good idea. Arteta clearly have seen/know inside and out our Club management.

Pep clearly rated him very highly as manager despite his form on Arsenal, many thought Pep statement is sarcasm but he genuinely think that Arteta is a really good manager have been working with him closely for years. Pep will not easily give him that kind of compliment if he doesn't think so. His standards is very high afterall.

It is not easy to judge Arteta true capability because Arsenal as club is such a mess, ranging from the top to very bottom there so many of that club problem to exist and Arteta as capable he is, can't do it alone yet he will the first figure to blame for Arsenal wrong doing despite not all of that club problem is from his. Trying to implement the style and instill the culture he have seen in City to Arsenal will be very difficult job and it will taken him for years to do it. Not an easy job and heck even Pep himself will also find it is very difficult to do.

Thing is Manager appointment is all about whether the manager in question is a match for the club itself. CV and experience is good but it will not matter if the manager philosophy and playstyle is very different compared to ours, for example Prime Mourinho despite his impressive CV and experience after managing treble Inter season will not match our club philosopy and style at all.

If CV and experience is all that matter, Pep and Zidane will not getting the job in their first big team at all and you know how it turn out (Sextuple and Three peat CL respectively).

CV is good just for assurance for fanbase that the manager itself is good enough to lead the club to the very top but not the major factor of why that manager must get appointment as a manager.
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Will be fascinating to see how it pans out. Arteta has a fairly ordinary Arsenal up to fourth, but then Spurs and that lot will likely improve in the second half of the season, so they may fade. Judging by this thread, there is currently no consensus around any one manager.
 
Gabriel said:
Will be fascinating to see how it pans out. Arteta has a fairly ordinary Arsenal up to fourth, but then Spurs and that lot will likely improve in the second half of the season, so they may fade. Judging by this thread, there is currently no consensus around any one manager.
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If Arteta can drag that Club to the top four spot in the table at the end of season. It will be miracle if he can do it, that achievement is a kind of winning the league itself. The many disadvantage he have and competition from other club he have to face, like i said it will be a miracle.
 
GaudinoMotors said:
The guy at Wolves might be one to keep an eye on - alright they were a dour disgrace against us, but he's clearly a thinker and can deploy different approaches with limited players.
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The only managers in the PL currently that could take on the job are Tuchel and Klopp. Of course Conte is a top class manager, but would throw away all Pep has built. None of these will happen. All the others won’t be ready for it if he decides to leave in 18 months. Have to look elsewhere
 
Kamaro011 said:
If Arteta can drag that Club to the top four spot in the table at the end of season. It will be miracle if he can do it, that achievement is a kind of winning the league itself. The many disadvantage he have and competition from other club he have to face, like i said it will be a miracle.
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If that would be a miracle, then I suppose Pochettino being second and third and a UCL finalist with Spurs qualifies as what, God-like?
 
BrazilianBlue (Gus) said:
The only managers in the PL currently that could take on the job are Tuchel and Klopp. Of course Conte is a top class manager, but would throw away all Pep has built. None of these will happen. All the others won’t be ready for it if he decides to leave in 18 months. Have to look elsewhere
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I sadly would put Rodgers in the mix but pleased to say, this season he seems to be fading.

Potter is also an outside bet, he has done wonders at Brighton and at his previous clubs, we are probably too much of a step up but I personally think he is a high quality coach/manager in the making.
 
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