N'Golo Kante

I think you could add DeBruyne,to Silva and Nasri to play central, so one more would do.

You're right, he could probably do a job.

But, this is my point. Other teams have specific experienced designated midfielders. De Bruyne and Silva have never really played centre midfield for anyone, let alone in the Premier League.

Nearly all top managers ask for two player for each position. 4 full backs, 4 centre halves etc. so if you're playing 433 as expected, surely logic would dictate 6 designated central midfielders?
 
I think this a risky strategy given there is little pre-season due to international tournaments. Can't be dropping points whilst experimenting. Champs league qualifier also. The left back Rodriguez, like Kante, is a no brainer, surely?
Well, Brazil just got kicked out of Copa America, so Fernandinho will have a full pre-season after all
 
You're right, he could probably do a job.

But, this is my point. Other teams have specific experienced designated midfielders. De Bruyne and Silva have never really played centre midfield for anyone, let alone in the Premier League.

Nearly all top managers ask for two player for each position. 4 full backs, 4 centre halves etc. so if you're playing 433 as expected, surely logic would dictate 6 designated central midfielders?

Personally I think if we start 433 then De Bruyne would play centrally with Gundogan and Fernandinho. On top of that we have Silva, Nasri, Fernando, Delph, Bryne, A.Garcia, M.Garcia and possibly one or two more youngsters who could easily fill in as and when we require. I think you'll see a lot of younger players in the domestic cup competitions.
 
Personally I think if we start 433 then De Bruyne would play centrally with Gundogan and Fernandinho. On top of that we have Silva, Nasri, Fernando, Delph, Bryne, A.Garcia, M.Garcia and possibly one or two more youngsters who could easily fill in as and when we require. I think you'll see a lot of younger players in the domestic cup competitions.

I imagine we'll utilise more youngsters.

De Bruyne has never played centre mid for anyone that I know of.

If we going into a Premier League season with that pool of players for centre mid we'll really struggle to win the league.

Every top teamin Europe is heavy with established midfielders.
Look at the international squads, other than England, every team has 6 or 7 established centre mids.

City have as many number 10's as centre mids.

When Pep's Bayern tore us apart they had no striker a 6 midfielders.

What happens if Gundogan who is currently injured or Fernamdinho who is 32 next season get injured?

Delph or Fernando can do a job, but not very well. As for experimenting with youth or players out of position, that's fine but not ideally due to 1 or 2 injuries.

Your inclusion of De Bruyne in our strongest midfield three pretty much highlights our glaring weakness.
For all his qualities, he give the ball away cheaply, isn't over good a winning the ball back, isn't over physical and the key factor, he's never played there.
We should have at least 3 established top quality starters. We have two. We need at least one more. I personally believe Delph or Fernando should be improved on too.

If we line up against Europe's elite with your suggested midfield we'd get battered. In my opinion anyway.
 
this is why I think its silly for us to guess how many players we may bring in. we need A LOT of help, probably more than some of us would like to admit. Fernandinho had a great season for us, but that is relative to the success we had. He looked good because of his work rate, always being on the field and for some good play. KDB cannot move back to CM, that would be disastrous for everyone. Gundogan we cannot trust fully to play an entire season just because he hasnt done it.

In my mind there has to be two more CMs coming in this window. I think anyone we are linked to is a possibility. Hope we can get Stones and Laporte done asap so we can move on and put our efforts into the midfield.

CM is more important than Auba imo. We have Kelechi and pep wants to load up on midfielders.
 
I imagine we'll utilise more youngsters.

De Bruyne has never played centre mid for anyone that I know of.

If we going into a Premier League season with that pool of players for centre mid we'll really struggle to win the league.

Every top teamin Europe is heavy with established midfielders.
Look at the international squads, other than England, every team has 6 or 7 established centre mids.

City have as many number 10's as centre mids.

When Pep's Bayern tore us apart they had no striker a 6 midfielders.

What happens if Gundogan who is currently injured or Fernamdinho who is 32 next season get injured?

Delph or Fernando can do a job, but not very well. As for experimenting with youth or players out of position, that's fine but not ideally due to 1 or 2 injuries.

Your inclusion of De Bruyne in our strongest midfield three pretty much highlights our glaring weakness.
For all his qualities, he give the ball away cheaply, isn't over good a winning the ball back, isn't over physical and the key factor, he's never played there.
We should have at least 3 established top quality starters. We have two. We need at least one more. I personally believe Delph or Fernando should be improved on too.

If we line up against Europe's elite with your suggested midfield we'd get battered. In my opinion anyway.

Why are you so bothered by a player never having played in a certain position before? Lahm had never played central midfield before, Mascerano had never played centre back before, Alaba has never played centre midfield before, Fabregas had never played up front before; Need I continue?

As for how I think we'll line up, I personally think it'll be 3-6-1/3-4-3 the majority of the time, depending on the opposition with Gundogan, Fernandinho, De Bruyne and Silva taking up the 4 central midfield/attacking midfield positions. Nasri could easily play in that midfield, Fernando could easily give us a defensive option in there, Delph is nowhere near as bad as some like to make out on here and any younger players will be surrounded by more experience. I'd like one more all round midfielder in the Gundogan/Fernandinho but I don't think it'll be as bad as you're trying to make out if we don't.
 
Why are you so bothered by a player never having played in a certain position before? Lahm had never played central midfield before, Mascerano had never played centre back before, Alaba has never played centre midfield before, Fabregas had never played up front before; Need I continue?

As for how I think we'll line up, I personally think it'll be 3-6-1/3-4-3 the majority of the time, depending on the opposition with Gundogan, Fernandinho, De Bruyne and Silva taking up the 4 central midfield/attacking midfield positions. Nasri could easily play in that midfield, Fernando could easily give us a defensive option in there, Delph is nowhere near as bad as some like to make out on here and any younger players will be surrounded by more experience. I'd like one more all round midfielder in the Gundogan/Fernandinho but I don't think it'll be as bad as you're trying to make out if we don't.

Alaba is and was centre mid and captain for his country.
Lahm I'll give you, but converting the World's best right back into an average holding midfielder is hardly evidence that De Bruyne can do the same.
Fabregas was a total failure and it cost him his Barca dream.

My point, one that can't really be counter argued, if we swap Toure for Gundogan and replace a manager pretty blind to the stregnths and weaknessess of our midfield with one almost entirely dependant on a midfield we'll be short.
I expect another top level centre mid and one the Pep trusts, an Alonso type signing.

You're right, Mascerano had never played centre back, it was a choice based on Pep's knowledge of his squad. By your logic we'd be starting the season gambling with our midfield.

If after working with the squad he decides player X can perform to the required standard then great, if he decides youth player Y is as good as he needs then great.

For me starting the season relying on changing a players position is unnecessary. Why sign De Bruyne to simply change his position?

All Europe's elite sides including internationals have squads heavy with centre mids. Why do you believe we should buck the trend?
 
I didn't think I would be called on this really. I thought it would be pretty obvious.

Barcelona, Real Madrid, Bayern, Juve PSG all line up with three top level centre mids every week. With more in reserve.
Barcelona start with Busquets, Iniesta and Rakitic So there's three at that level already. Mascherano is a top quality highly experience alternative to Busquets. In addition to those 4 World class centre mids. They have Roberto, Vidal whom have both played for Spain. That's 6 international centre mids.
Real Madrid, Isco, Modric & Kroos start in centre mid nearly every week. So there's 3. They then have Casemiro & Kovacic, two more established internationals.
Juventus, Pogba, Marchisio & Khedira are all top level international,stars. Hernanes, Pereyra, Sturaro are all international centre midfielders too.
PSG, Verratiti, Motta, Matuidi, are all experienced internationals. Rabiot and other internations in reserve.

I could go on, you think Gundogan, Fernandinho, Fernando, Delph and another are good enough? Comparable? I don't.
We play in the hardest league, we are employing a manager that relies heavily on midfield.
I think we need six centre midfielders. Three or 4 at the Gundogan/Fernandinho standard. 2 more at a higher level than Fernando & Delph.
Perhaps Delph and Fernando can improve sufficiently under Pep. I think they're a little too limited personally.

We currently have 4 international centre backs and are looking at two more. By all accounts are leading the race for both.
Yet we have Fernandinho who's form could plummet at anytime due to his age. Gundogan who has suffered some ludicrous bad luck recently with injuries. Who's also new to the league.
Fernando and Delph, whom for me are frankly not good enough as immediate back up. The gulf in class between Gundogan & Fernandinho is alarming.

Now hopefully under Pep Nasri and Silva could play deeper and more like traditional midfielders.

But for me, we need Gundogan, Fernandinho and two more of that standard if we want to compete at the very highest level.

Funny, you mention gulf in class between Nando/Delph and Diniho/Gundogan but the likes of Roberto, Vidal (not the Vidal), Casemiro, Kovacic, Hernanes, Pereyra, Sturaro are a huge step down from the players they deputise for. Again all the teams you have noted have 3 World Class/Great CM players supplemented by 2-3 good/average players, not 5 at the level of Diniho and Gundogan.

We need one more and that's what we'll get.
 
I imagine we'll utilise more youngsters.

De Bruyne has never played centre mid for anyone that I know of.

If we going into a Premier League season with that pool of players for centre mid we'll really struggle to win the league.

Every top teamin Europe is heavy with established midfielders.
Look at the international squads, other than England, every team has 6 or 7 established centre mids.

City have as many number 10's as centre mids.

When Pep's Bayern tore us apart they had no striker a 6 midfielders.

What happens if Gundogan who is currently injured or Fernamdinho who is 32 next season get injured?

Delph or Fernando can do a job, but not very well. As for experimenting with youth or players out of position, that's fine but not ideally due to 1 or 2 injuries.

Your inclusion of De Bruyne in our strongest midfield three pretty much highlights our glaring weakness.
For all his qualities, he give the ball away cheaply, isn't over good a winning the ball back, isn't over physical and the key factor, he's never played there.
We should have at least 3 established top quality starters. We have two. We need at least one more. I personally believe Delph or Fernando should be improved on too.

If we line up against Europe's elite with your suggested midfield we'd get battered. In my opinion anyway.


Forgive me if i'm wrong, but i'm sure De Bruyne played in centre mid for Chelsea a couple of times - and got MOTM.
 

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