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svennis pennis

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that when we take off one of our three defensive midfielders we look a real threat?

Mancini's default and preferred tactic is abysmal. When he changes us as he did second half and lets the players loose we cause all sorts of problems.

That is the most frustrating thing for me.
 
We looked a threat when we started to pass to players on our own team. We started to run more, and players that weren't playing well were taken off.

First half was dire, but it would have been dire regardless of the tactics (remember we were 2 up front for a lot of it) the way that individuals were performing.
 
svennis pennis said:
that when we take off one of our three defensive midfielders we look a real threat?

Mancini's default and preferred tactic is abysmal. When he changes us as he did second half and lets the players loose we cause all sorts of problems.

That is the most frustrating thing for me.


disagree-Johnson changed the game


SWP can go for me
 
moomba said:
We looked a threat when we started to pass to players on our own team. We started to run more, and players that weren't playing well were taken off.

First half was dire, but it would have been dire regardless of the tactics (remember we were 2 up front for a lot of it) the way that individuals were performing.


We start games like it every week Moomba. You know that. When we inevitably allow the opposition to score he changes things and we start to dominate. If it stays 0.0, then he doesnt change a thing. We are way to negative.
 
flb said:
svennis pennis said:
that when we take off one of our three defensive midfielders we look a real threat?

Mancini's default and preferred tactic is abysmal. When he changes us as he did second half and lets the players loose we cause all sorts of problems.

That is the most frustrating thing for me.


disagree-Johnson changed the game


SWP can go for me

i agree.
 
svennis pennis said:
that when we take off one of our three defensive midfielders we look a real threat?

Mancini's default and preferred tactic is abysmal. When he changes us as he did second half and lets the players loose we cause all sorts of problems.

That is the most frustrating thing for me.


We looked a threat all through the second half
 
svennis pennis said:
moomba said:
We looked a threat when we started to pass to players on our own team. We started to run more, and players that weren't playing well were taken off.

First half was dire, but it would have been dire regardless of the tactics (remember we were 2 up front for a lot of it) the way that individuals were performing.


We start games like it every week Moomba. You know that. When we inevitably allow the opposition to score he changes things and we start to dominate. If it stays 0.0, then he doesnt change a thing. We are way to negative.

100% how I see it

Oh and when we are defending set pieces, at least have two of our players (any two from SWP, AJ, Tevez or Bellers) at the very least halfway inside our half to be able to counter attack or relieve the pressure from a half cleared ball.
 
svennis pennis said:
We start games like it every week Moomba. You know that. When we inevitably allow the opposition to score he changes things and we start to dominate. If it stays 0.0, then he doesnt change a thing. We are way to negative.

I disagree that we start like that every week, and I'm not sure that formation and tactics make players play as badly as individuals as ours did.

Maybe we should be looking at the way we motivate our players, or the players we pick.

I agree with a post above re Johnson, maybe if he played from the start, or came on earlier we would have won.

As it is, I think we were slightly unlucky not to get more out of the match on balance.
 
What a great 2nd half from City.

So frustrating to see City miss chance after chance.

Mancini gambled, and his changes worked.

The 3 defensive midfielders are not ideal - but Johnson is injured, and although I like Ireland a lot he hasn't played well in recent games. No point criticising Mancini for playing 3 defensive midfielders when there isn't much of an alternative at the moment
 
bizzbo said:
no coincidence that we got better when richards and swp went off. what a pair of twats. if only we could have taken off RSC as well we would have smashed them to smithereens.

Anyone who calls our own players twats is not needed, and should be treated with utter contempt by decent blues
 
moomba said:
svennis pennis said:
We start games like it every week Moomba. You know that. When we inevitably allow the opposition to score he changes things and we start to dominate. If it stays 0.0, then he doesnt change a thing. We are way to negative.

I disagree that we start like that every week, and I'm not sure that formation and tactics make players play as badly as individuals as ours did.

Maybe we should be looking at the way we motivate our players, or the players we pick.

I agree with a post above re Johnson, maybe if he played from the start, or came on earlier we would have won.

As it is, I think we were slightly unlucky not to get more out of the match on balance.

Quite possibly it is a motivation problem.

For the last 2 months I can remember us starting only 1 game at a real tempo and that was the Stoke game. We ease ourself into games, trying to work out our opponent rather than imposing ourselves upon them. The second half is how we should start every game. Sunderland were shit scared.
 
flb said:
svennis pennis said:
that when we take off one of our three defensive midfielders we look a real threat?

Mancini's default and preferred tactic is abysmal. When he changes us as he did second half and lets the players loose we cause all sorts of problems.

That is the most frustrating thing for me.


disagree-Johnson changed the game


SWP can go for me
swp changed the game against chelsea so it works bothways
 
Playing with three defensive midfielders is shite tactics, when will mancini realise?
 
Boney said:
Playing with three defensive midfielders is shite tactics, when will mancini realise?

When we stop picking up points at a better rate than our rivals.

Or when he gets sacked.

I don't think defensive midfielders has to be a negative tactic, what I'd be looking at is more forward movement from Barry (who isn't a defensive midfielder but is playing like one) and Zabaleta.

With one or two up front, and two wide players as we had, we still need players from the midfield to make runs. Not really acceptable to say that a particular player is a defensive midfielder, therefore he can't impact postively going forward.
 
blumoonrises said:
bizzbo said:
no coincidence that we got better when richards and swp went off. what a pair of twats. if only we could have taken off RSC as well we would have smashed them to smithereens.

Anyone who calls our own players twats is not needed, and should be treated with utter contempt by decent blues

sorry, I know it's beyond the pale. but what I saw from those two made my blood boil. they are supposed to be england internationals and leading lights in our side. I suppose they might just have had very bad days, and to be fair richards can look dreadful on a bad day, but to me it looked like they displayed a lazy, selfish, arrogant, indisciplined, borderline unprofessional attitude. the worst individual performances I've seen since hamann vs notts forest, far worse than the type of performances robinho got destroyed for.

I think what did it in for me was richards jogging back so incredibly lazily, and swp shrugging his shoulders when he clearly wasn't helping his team mates out. after their little jaunt to miami, on top of swp going public about his contract demands, it was just too much to take.
 
svennis pennis said:
For the last 2 months I can remember us starting only 1 game at a real tempo and that was the Stoke game. We ease ourself into games, trying to work out our opponent rather than imposing ourselves upon them. The second half is how we should start every game. Sunderland were shit scared.

Would be nice, but I'm not sure we've got the players to sustain that sort of performance for 90 minutes. The home Mackem game is probably what we'd see a bit more of so I think we need to find the right balance, and the mentality that will allow a more consistent performance throughout.
 

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